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Bleak5170
11-10-2005, 11:36 AM
Did they change the order of the cartoons? This is how they appear on Season One Part 2:

28 The Germ
29 The Viper is Coming
30 Spell of the Siren
31 Cobra Quake
32 Captives of Cobra, Part 1
33 Captives of Cobra, Part 2
34 Bazooka Saw a Sea Serpent
35 Excalibur
36 Worlds Without End, Part 1
37 Worlds Without End, Part 2
38 Eau de Cobra
39 Cobra Claws Are Coming to Town
40 An Eye for an Eye
41 The Gods Below
42 Primordial Plot
43 Flint's Vacation
44 Hearts and Cannons
45 Memories of Mara
46 The Traitor, Part 1
47 The Traitor, Part 2
48 Pit of Vipers
49 The Wrong Stuff
50 The Invaders
51 Cold Slither
52 The Great Alaskan Land Rush
53 Skeletons in the Closet
54 There's No Place Like Springfield 1
55 There's No Place Like Springfield 2

However, i've been doing some reseach and this listing does not match up with the original airdates. The Traitor 2-parter should be after Bazooka Saw a Sea Serpent, and Captives of Cobra should fall directly after The Germ. These are just two examples.
This new sequence by Rhino doesn't really make a lot of sense as they have Worlds Without End appearing before the Traitor. As we all know, three Joes stayed behind in a parallel universe in WwE. But these same Joes all appear in The Traitor which comes afterwards on Rhino's set.
Does anybody know why they did this?

SharpShot
11-10-2005, 02:02 PM
I didn't even realize this when I bought the set...

Thomas Wheeler's Animation Guide follows what you have said. According to the guide, the Pyramid of Darkness mini-series aired after Memories of Mara and was followed by The Traitor Parts 1-2.

I don't know who is right though, because Rhino lists the original air dates on their notes. According to Rhino they are following the original air dates.

Can anyone else give more info???

Bleak5170
11-10-2005, 02:27 PM
I didn't even realize this when I bought the set...

Thomas Wheeler's Animation Guide follows what you have said. According to the guide, the Pyramid of Darkness mini-series aired after Memories of Mara and was followed by The Traitor Parts 1-2.



Well that can't be right. Pyramids of Darkness kicked off the first full season so it couldn't have come after Memories of Mara. I seemed to have been mislead with some of my other info though. Apparently The Traitor did indeed air after Worlds Without End. So i guess the Sunbow writers didn't talk to each other, and whoever wrote The Traitor didn't know Clutch, Steeler, and Grunt stayed behind in WWE. But it still doesn't explain why Rhino appears to have switched the episodes up chronologically.

Xerofall
11-10-2005, 05:31 PM
They were going off of David Thorton's list (I'm assuming because they thank him on the DVD case.)

He ran Quick Kick's Theatre. He has a list of the episodes and their air dates...

Here's what he says;

" Episodes are listed by the airdates at the Library of Congress "

Then the list that follows is how Rhino has them on their DVD sets.

http://qktheatre.com/summaries/season1.htm

So I dunno if that helps or not.

Bleak5170
11-11-2005, 07:05 AM
They were going off of David Thorton's list (I'm assuming because they thank him on the DVD case.)

He ran Quick Kick's Theatre. He has a list of the episodes and their air dates...

Here's what he says;

" Episodes are listed by the airdates at the Library of Congress "

Then the list that follows is how Rhino has them on their DVD sets.

http://qktheatre.com/summaries/season1.htm

So I dunno if that helps or not.

It does help actually. Thanks. It looks like both other listings i found are not correct, (i never even thought of checking the Quick Kick page). Looks like this one is definitely "official".

Bleak5170
11-11-2005, 12:39 PM
Well now i'm confused again because i found this list which corresponds with what Sharpshot said. I was always told that Pyramids of Darkness kicked off season 1 but now i have two sources saying otherwise.

11 "Countdown for Zartan" (9/23/85)
#12 "Red Rocket's Glare" (9/24/85)
#13 "Satellite Down" (9/25/85)
#14 "Cobra Stops the World" (9/26/85)
#15 "Jungle Trap" (9/27/85)
#16 "Cobra's Creatures" (9/30/85)
#17 "The Funhouse" (10/1/85)
#18 "Twenty Questions" (10/2/85)
#19 "The Greenhouse Effect" (10/3/85)
#20 "Haul Down the Heavens" (10/4/85)
#21 "Synthoid Conspiracy" (Part 1 of 2 - 10/7/85)
#22 "Synthoid Conspiracy" (Part 2 of 2 - 10/8/85)
#23 "The Phantom Brigade" (10/9/85)
#24 "Lights! Camera! Cobra!" (10/10/85)
#25 "Cobra's Candidate" (10/11/85)
#26 "Money to Burn" (10/14/85)
#27 "Operation Mind Menace" (10/15/85)
#28 "Battle For The Train of Gold" (10/16/85)
#29 "Cobra Soundwaves" (10/17/85)http://members.aol.com/craigbyrne/joevideobox.jpg
#30 "Where the Reptiles Roam" (10/18/85)
#31 "The Games Master" (10/21/85)
#32 "Lasers in the Night" (10/22/85)
#33 "The Germ" (10/23/85)
#34 "The Viper is Coming" (10/24/85)
#35 "Spell of the Siren" (10/25/85)
#36 "Cobra Quake" (10/28/85)
#37 "Captives of Cobra" (Part 1 of 2 - 10/29/85)
#38 "Captives of Cobra" (Part 2 of 2 - 10/30/85)
#39 "Bazooka Saw A Sea Serpent" (10/31/85)
#40 "Excalibur" (11/1/85)
#41 "Worlds Without End" (Part 1 of 2 - 11/4/85)
#42 "Worlds Without End" (Part 2 of 2 - 11/5/85)
#43 "Eau de Cobra" (11/6/85)
#44 "Cobra Claws are Coming to Town" (11/7/85)
#45 "An Eye for an Eye" (11/8/95)
#46 "The Gods Below" (11/11/85)
#47 "Primordial Plot" (11/12/85)
#48 "Flint's Vacation" (11/13/85)
#49 "Hearts and Cannons" (11/14/85)
#50 "Memories of Mara" (11/15/85)
#51 "The Pyramid of Darkness, Day 1: The Further Adventures of G.I. Joe" (11/18/85)
#52 "The Pyramid of Darkness, Day 2: Rendezvous in the City of the Dead" (11/19/85)
#5http://www.kryptonsite.com/flintladyjaye.jpg3 "The Pyramid of Darkness, Day 3: Three Cubes to Darkness" (11/20/85)
#54 "The Pyramid of Darkness, Day 4: Chaos in the Sea of Lost Souls" (11/21/85)
#55 "The Pyramid of Darkness, Day 5: Knotting Cobra's Coils" (11/22/85)
#56 "The Traitor" (Part 1 of 2 - 11/25/85)
#57 "The Traitor" (Part 2 of 2 - 11/26/85)
#58 "Pit of Vipers" (11/27/85)
#59 "The Wrong Stuff" (11/28/85)
#60 "The Invaders" (11/29/85)
#61 "Cold Slither" (12/2/85)
#62 "The Great Alaskan Land Rush" (12/3/85)
#63 "Skeletons in the Closet" (12/11/85)
#64 "There's No Place Like Springfield" (Part 1 of 2 - 12/12/85)
#65 "There's No Place Like Springfield" (Part 2 of 2 - 12/13/85)

Xerofall
11-12-2005, 03:32 AM
Hmmm, I don't know what to tell you. I would personally go off of QKtheatre.com's info, he was in the know.

Of course the networks that were showing the episodes could've re-arranged them, there are many reasons why the air dates don't match up.

QKtheatre.com even mentions the fact that the Joes from WWE were seen later on in The Traitor.

But I really don't know.

Shogi
11-12-2005, 11:40 AM
Honestly, when it comes to these old cartoons, I don't worry so much about the listing (It'd be bad if they had a season 2 episode in a season 1 box) but with the fact that everyone goes by original air dates and those are usually never 100% correct (The networks sometimes aired an episode first cuz it was done, not cuz it was next in chronological order) If we had access to the Production numbers, then we'd have the actual list. When I say production numbers, I don't mean when each episode was completed, I mean the chonological number the production company gives the episode.

Example: Batman Beyond, I was working at a WB station when this was airing and on my rundown sheet (It told the episode segment times and the commercials that the network would air) it had the episode number of each episode (They were labeled BB-101, BB-102 for Batman Beyond season 1 episode 01 and season 1 episode 02, etc...) now look at most lists that are "airdate" lists, the last episode is called "unmasked" well that's because WB never aired that episode, it wasn't aired until Cartoon Network got the series after WB cancelled it. Also many other episodes were put out of order cuz the WB would air the episodes out of order (maybe one wasn't done, or there were other reasons holding it up, or they had a two parter to air like the one with the Justice League and they had a ratings weekend comming up)

So personally, I don't believe any list till I see the Production Numbers for the episodes.

Bleak5170
11-14-2005, 07:36 AM
Honestly, when it comes to these old cartoons, I don't worry so much about the listing (It'd be bad if they had a season 2 episode in a season 1 box) but with the fact that everyone goes by original air dates and those are usually never 100% correct (The networks sometimes aired an episode first cuz it was done, not cuz it was next in chronological order) If we had access to the Production numbers, then we'd have the actual list. When I say production numbers, I don't mean when each episode was completed, I mean the chonological number the production company gives the episode.



Well actually this site, (which is freakin' awesome), has the production numbers so i guess it must be pretty darn accurate.

http://joes.propadeutic.com/

Propadeutic
11-14-2005, 09:41 AM
I got the production numbers from Thomas Wheeler's guide, so my information is no more or less accurate than his.

(I don't remember the source for my airdates; I should probably check them with QK's page to match the LOC.)

Xerofall
11-14-2005, 10:50 AM
I got the production numbers from Thomas Wheeler's guide, so my information is no more or less accurate than his.

(I don't remember the source for my airdates; I should probably check them with QK's page to match the LOC.)


I was wondering when you were going to post here... haha.

Bleak5170
11-14-2005, 11:09 AM
I got the production numbers from Thomas Wheeler's guide, so my information is no more or less accurate than his.

(I don't remember the source for my airdates; I should probably check them with QK's page to match the LOC.)

Well so much for that theory, lol.

Propadeutic
11-14-2005, 12:10 PM
Correction: I used Wheeler as my source when I originally put up the website. I actually did conform to Mr. Thornton's figures a couple years ago when I started the transcripts. The only difference is that I consider production order to be closer to the intended chronology than the air-date order (e.g., for WWE issues).

Anyway, here's how the two seasons ran:

Sept. 16-20, 1985: Pyramid of Darkness Parts 1-5
Sept. 23-27: Countdown, Red Rockets, Satellite, Cobra Stops, Jungle Trap
Sept. 30-Oct. 4: Creatures, Funhouse, 20Q, Greenhouse, Haul Down
Oct. 7-11: Synthoid 1-2, Phantom Brigade, LCC, Candidate
Oct. 14-18: Money, Mind Menace, Train of Gold, Soundwaves, Reptiles Roam
Oct. 21-25: Gamesmaster, Lasers, Germ, Viper Is Coming, Siren
Oct. 28-Nov. 1: Quake, Captives 1-2, Bazooka, Excalibur
Nov. 4-8: WWE 1-2, Eau, Cobra CLAWS, Eye for an Eye
Nov. 11-15: Gods Below, Primordial, Flint's Vacation, Hearts, Mara
Nov. 18-22: Rerun of Pyramid of Darkness
Nov. 25-29: Traitor 1-2, Pit of Vipers, Wrong Stuff, Invaders
Dec. 2-6: Cold Slither, Great Alaskan, three reruns
Dec. 9-13: two reruns, Skeletons, Springfield 1-2
Dec. 15-Sept. 12: reruns
Sept. 15-19, 1986: Arise Serpentor Arise Parts 1-5
Sept. 22-26: three season-1 reruns, Doomsday, Computer Complications
Sept. 29-Oct. 3: Montana, Let's Play, Once Upon, Million Dollar, 1 rerun
Oct. 6-10: Cobrathon, Rotten Egg, Glamour Girls, Iceberg, 1 rerun
Oct. 13-17: Spy, Grey Hairs, Brother's Keeper, Favorite Things, 1 rerun
Oct. 20-24: Flagg, 1 rerun, Ninja Holidays, 2 reruns
Oct. 27-31: Golden Fleece, 1 rerun, Dangerous, Nightmare, Second-Hand
Nov. 3-7: Rerun of Arise Serpentor Arise
Nov. 10-14: Joes' Night Out, 2 reruns, Not a Ghost, 1 rerun
Nov. 17-21: 1 rerun, Sins, In the Presence, Into Your Tent, 1 rerun
Nov. 23-???: reruns
Sat., April 18, 1987: G.I. Joe: The Movie

The reruns included 5-part versions of the ARAH and TROC miniseries, which is how I first saw them.

Bleak5170
11-14-2005, 01:33 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Pro. :)