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GIJoeCollector
03-08-2006, 10:46 PM
Hey, I was just looking at some of my loose figures and I noticed what looks to be a variant in the 1983 Wild Bill. I have previously seen the slight color variation before, but this was much more than, just different shades of the same color. And no, it has not been modified. First his hat is so dark that it almost looks black. Second his vest, holsters and boots are very different from the bright redish brown of the normal Wild Bill and are almost gray in color. The rest of his clothes are more like the slight color variations I had seen before. The final item is the most obvious to me and that is his hair and mustache are blonde not reddish brown. My first thought was that maybe the color difference was due to the sun or from age, but after looking at the figure more closely, I just can't believe that is the case due to the even distribution of color (not like one side is sun faded and the other isn't). Has anyone ever seen or heard of this before? I wish I could post a picture, but my camera recently died. I might try to get a pic from my scanner, but can't guarantee that these differences will be visible.


I tried the scan and the pics look like crap. You can't tell any differences from them. I guess I will just have to wait until I can purchase a new camera.

William

Short-Fuse
03-09-2006, 06:22 PM
You could take the figure apart to see if the color is still the same on the inside where it would have been completely void of any sunlight to confirm that it has not changed color due to the light.

AVAC
03-09-2006, 09:32 PM
There have been 2 or 3 different threads on this in the last year so it sounds like a few more of these are popping up. I believe the overall thought/opinion was there was a Wild Bill variation but I am not sure where it went. Feel free to view mine. Here is a direct link to my webpage where you can view mine http://www.freewebs.com/gijoe/variations.htm Just scroll down toward the bottom of the page and you will see them. If you can get some pics posted it would be great to compare what you have with what others have posted about and have.

toe
03-09-2006, 10:35 PM
There have been 2 or 3 different threads on this in the last year so it sounds like a few more of these are popping up. I believe the overall thought/opinion was there was a Wild Bill variation but I am not sure where it went. Feel free to view mine. Here is a direct link to my webpage where you can view mine http://www.freewebs.com/gijoe/variations.htm Just scroll down toward the bottom of the page and you will see them. If you can get some pics posted it would be great to compare what you have with what others have posted about and have.


Your webpage is awesome!! I'll definitly bookmark it. Does yojoe have all of those details?

GIJoeCollector
03-10-2006, 12:17 AM
AVAC...

I had previously seen that variation (and your website and the previous thread, which originally started with the Duke figures), which is what I was referring to when I mentioned the "slight color variations". Hopefully, I will be able to get a new camera soon (if the funds allow) and will definitely post pictures as I am rather curious about it. If the funds don't allow, I might see if my old Polaroid still works and take pics and then scan those, I am just hesitant as the clarity would not be as good as a digital.

After reading another post about a Vamp Jeep that may or may not have been from Japan, I am wondering if maybe this is a foreign release, where the company simply never removed the Hasbro Date Stamp. The plastic of the figure is of the same quality and sturdiness as the "US Original".

Either way, I will keep searching for others in order to verify this as a variation and not just a production error. I appreciate all the help.

AVAC
03-12-2006, 01:41 AM
Your webpage is awesome!! I'll definitly bookmark it. Does yojoe have all of those details?


I appreciate the kind words about my simple website. Yes yojoe has the info as it has all been posted here before. As always with potential variants there is a lot of discussion here first before a decision is made by the mods as something having a legit variant. For the completist collector it can drive one nuts as more variants pop up, thus why things are not added here very quickly or often. A lot of research is done before variants are added. The mods can correct me if I am wrong but I believe that is how the process works here. I simply share what I have so others can see. Whether they get added here as a variant or not is up to the yojoe gods.

GIJoeCollector
03-23-2006, 12:49 AM
Ok guys, I have gotten the "go" from a friend to use their camera for the weekend, so I will be posting a pic soon. I have mentioned this to several other collectors and none of them have seen it either.

NewKid
03-23-2006, 10:39 AM
AVAC-
Nice website. Thanks for posting variations so rookies like me can be in the know about these things. I am starting a bookmark collection of websites created by yojoe members as a kind of reference for me. I assume nobody minds. Although I love asking the pros here questions its also interesting to do some research on your own.

GIJoeCollector
03-24-2006, 11:53 PM
Ok, I was finally able to get some pics of this possible Wild Bill v1 Variation. Below are links to photobucket.com

The figure on the left is the standard "original" Wild Bill paint scheme, while the figure on the right is the possible variation. Let me know what you guys think.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/IMG_3070.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/IMG_3069.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/IMG_3068.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/IMG_3067.jpg

I took two shots of both the front and back of the figure.

AVAC
03-25-2006, 01:03 AM
Unless you used a flash and it yellowed it out or did something funky to the photo I hate to say it but to me it looks like the sun is what created the color difference on that figure. Other thoughts on this???

picollogoku
03-25-2006, 01:12 AM
the only thing I see that would rule out sun damage. In my "opinion" the redish brown probably would not turn to that shade. I agree with taking it apart to check the color inside though. only way to tell for sure.

GIJoeCollector
03-25-2006, 01:42 AM
I have taken the figure apart and posted more pics. I am still hesitant to think sun damage as I don't see how the blue of his hat could turn almost black and the reddish brown to grey, but stranger things have happened to plastic. I do readily admit that the hair color and main body color could have been changed by the sun, but from taking the figure apart it doesn't apear to be the case (with the main body color). You make the call.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/IMG_3071.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/IMG_3072.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/IMG_3073.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/IMG_3074.jpg


I think I may have figured this out... In putting the figure back together I noticed a number on the front of the base of the head (2), so I took the other figure apart. It had a different number (1), then I noticed that the arm structure was different as well... that was the tell tale sign. Several figures were re-released after the arm structure was changed, I believe the one I thought to be a variation is the re-released figure as it has the rounded arm base. See the pics below.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/IMG_3075.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/IMG_3076.jpg

Average Joe
01-14-2007, 12:47 AM
I did a search before making a new thread on this. I found the same variant in my Wild Bills. Colors are definately different on the outside AND different on the inside. So this isn't a sun induced variant. My two figures are the same colors as the two shown on AVAC's website. I'm pretty sure this is a true variant. And the colors are so different that it should not be considered just a minor color difference. Many things are different, most noticeably his hair. One has blonde hair, the other has red hair.

GIJoeCollector
01-15-2007, 04:05 PM
I did a search before making a new thread on this. I found the same variant in my Wild Bills. Colors are definately different on the outside AND different on the inside. So this isn't a sun induced variant. My two figures are the same colors as the two shown on AVAC's website. I'm pretty sure this is a true variant. And the colors are so different that it should not be considered just a minor color difference. Many things are different, most noticeably his hair. One has blonde hair, the other has red hair.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! I am not crazy afterall... :D I have purchased and looked at several other Wild Bill figs since I posted that trying to confirm it as a variant, but hadn't been able to find a single one. This is vindicating.

Did you check the numbers on the base of the neck and on the arms? Do you have any pics of your fig? If so, I would love to see them... I don't think my old links still work, but I will try to locate the pics of my fig and post an updated link.


Updated Links:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/JoeVariations/IMG_3067.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/JoeVariations/IMG_3070.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/JoeVariations/IMG_3074.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/JoeVariations/IMG_3075.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/JoeVariations/IMG_3073.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/GIJoeCollector/JoeVariations/IMG_3076.jpg

AVAC
01-16-2007, 03:24 PM
I was pleasantly surprised to see this topic brought back up. I have always believed this to be a legit variant. I know at least one of the mods agreed with this a long time ago but I don't know if/when we will see this added to the archive. The only issue I can see with your Wild Bill figure GIJoeCollector is in picture http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...s/IMG_3075.jpg you can see where the sun faded the face more yellow as the base of the neck is the regular skin tone. Unless that photo is off due to lighting or something unfortunately that may be the case with that figure or at least the head portion. With my "variant" figure the color is consistant when you take the figure apart.

GIJoeCollector
01-16-2007, 05:40 PM
I was pleasantly surprised to see this topic brought back up. I have always believed this to be a legit variant. I know at least one of the mods agreed with this a long time ago but I don't know if/when we will see this added to the archive. The only issue I can see with your Wild Bill figure GIJoeCollector is in picture http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...s/IMG_3075.jpg you can see where the sun faded the face more yellow as the base of the neck is the regular skin tone. Unless that photo is off due to lighting or something unfortunately that may be the case with that figure or at least the head portion. With my "variant" figure the color is consistant when you take the figure apart.

Oh, I agree that there is some damage to this figure, which is why I was so excited when someone else claimed to have one as well... now I just want to see his pics.. ;)