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Tim F.
01-11-2008, 11:08 PM
I have some figures I was considering having afa graded for my display case. Please don't flame this, it's not about resell or making money, just encasing some figures for display purposes only. Anyhow, Is this really an 80 or is there some foul play involved here?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1984-Hasbro-GI-Joe-Loose-Spirit-AFA-80_W0QQitemZ110179054621QQihZ001QQcategoryZ2467QQr dZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQtrksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmd ZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/1982-Hasbro-GI-Joe-Loose-Flash-AFA-80_W0QQitemZ110179053529QQihZ001QQcategoryZ2467QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I'd rate this figure as "fair" c7 at best. Does anybody have any loose graded figures to compare? Either they (afa) have really low standards or this guy is pulling some sort of scam (he has a dozen more like this)

Sorry Mods if this is the wrong place.

gotproblems
01-11-2008, 11:15 PM
I've seen worse grading, but yeah I wouldn't say that was an 80. 75 tops, IMO.


I'm SHOCKED that an over graded item is being sold by Cloud City, though.:rolleyes:

Tim F.
01-11-2008, 11:18 PM
I've seen worse grading, but yeah I wouldn't say that was an 80. 75 tops, IMO.


I'm SHOCKED that an over graded item is being sold by Cloud City, though.:rolleyes:

I he notorious for that or something?

thunt4
01-11-2008, 11:38 PM
You can search the numbers on afa to verify them. There figure grades seem to be higher than there mocgrades for figures for some reason though

roboticplanet
01-12-2008, 12:50 AM
If the paint wear was the only problem and joints were spectacular, they'd get a C8 on my grading scale. AFA is typically harsher on their grades and for any other customer, those would be 70 - 75.

Cloud City Collectibles, IIRC, owns AFA. You can draw your own conclusions from there. For some reason the word "collusion" comes to mind, but that's just me.

gotproblems
01-12-2008, 04:09 AM
I don't think they own them anymore, if they ever did. IIRC, they're very close to each other (geographically), plus I think Tom Derby, who works for AFA (or is at least contracted for rare items), was once affiliated with Cloud City. So you can see why people think they're in cahoots.

I like the AFA (not particularly for GI Joe, but for other toy lines), and I think the service they provide (protecting your figures, peace of mind when buying a graded figure) is good for individuals, not so good for collecting as a hobby. I just think it's funny that whenever a questionable grade pops up, 9 times out of 10 it's being sold by Cloud City.

Urban Saboteur
01-12-2008, 04:40 AM
Wow.. my spirit has gold on his wrists.. I should get him graded if that's the case.. :rolleyes:
In my opinion those figures aren't worth the $50 & $60 they've quoted. Sure thing they are graded but..
I really expect a company like Cloud City to be setting the standards, those figures could be picked up from ebay in better condition for half that price.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe i'm undervaluing my own figures then?
For example I have Flash, he's mint and I'd probably say a good c9
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/G-I-Joe-Flash-Laser-Rifle-Trooper-Complete-w-f-c_W0QQitemZ350002976102QQihZ022QQcategoryZ349QQcmd ZViewItem
That's about $16 right? it's ungraded, but what your saying is that if that were cloud city it would probably be more like $99-$120 after being graded.

Tom Darby and Cloud City, I guess you have to have sufficient proof that they are "in cahoots" lots of people say this, (me included). Without actually knowing they are and having proof then it's just speculation I guess.

I think AFA aren't doing enough on the moc's .. so they've moved to grading loose items, in my humble opinion their grading system is just as substantially poor on the loose items as it was on the moc's.
Rich

Tim F.
01-12-2008, 09:43 AM
Wow.. my spirit has gold on his wrists.. I should get him graded if that's the case.. :rolleyes:
In my opinion those figures aren't worth the $50 & $60 they've quoted. Sure thing they are graded but..
I really expect a company like Cloud City to be setting the standards, those figures could be picked up from ebay in better condition for half that price.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe i'm undervaluing my own figures then?
For example I have Flash, he's mint and I'd probably say a good c9
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/G-I-Joe-Flash-Laser-Rifle-Trooper-Complete-w-f-c_W0QQitemZ350002976102QQihZ022QQcategoryZ349QQcmd ZViewItem
That's about $16 right? it's ungraded, but what your saying is that if that were cloud city it would probably be more like $99-$120 after being graded.

Tom Darby and Cloud City, I guess you have to have sufficient proof that they are "in cahoots" lots of people say this, (me included). Without actually knowing they are and having proof then it's just speculation I guess.

I think AFA aren't doing enough on the moc's .. so they've moved to grading loose items, in my humble opinion their grading system is just as substantially poor on the loose items as it was on the moc's.
Rich

Wow talk about a lack of business ethics!!! I am going to send a straight arm flash that is leaps an bounds ahead of their "80." It'll be interesting to see how they grade my figure. If it's the same or less, then I'm done with afa on principle alone. Who could support a crooked operation??

Does anyone have a pic of any loose graded figure?? I just want others to compare it with.

grunt 4 mvp
01-12-2008, 10:29 AM
I think AFA aren't doing enough on the moc's .. so they've moved to grading loose items, in my humble opinion their grading system is just as substantially poor on the loose items as it was on the moc's.
Rich


That, and there are only so many AFA'able MOC items around nowadays - definitely a finite resource, that is drying up. I don't know anyone who would bother AFA'ing anything after 1990 (apart from the Hasbro PDD situation :rolleyes: ).

I was considering the issue that if you send in a figure that gets a poorer grade than you think it deserves, you are much less likely to do business with them again (and to give them bad-word-of-mouth / flame them). I would guess that their customer base isn't so big that they can afford to lose people all the time. On the other hand, if you get a figure back with a grade that is better than you had hoped, that probably has a positive affect on your likelihood of doing business again.
And yet to stay credible, they have to maintain an objective image - something that is already being questioned, apparently.

I have two AFA graded MOC figures (which I bought already graded because they were such a good deal) both of which, in my ignorant opinion, seem fairly graded. However, I'd never send in a loose figure. I couldn't care less if my Spirit is a 75, 80 or 85 and don't see the benefit of paying to have it sealed away.

Tim F.
01-12-2008, 01:12 PM
That, and there are only so many AFA'able MOC items around nowadays - definitely a finite resource, that is drying up. I don't know anyone who would bother AFA'ing anything after 1990 (apart from the Hasbro PDD situation :rolleyes: ).

I was considering the issue that if you send in a figure that gets a poorer grade than you think it deserves, you are much less likely to do business with them again (and to give them bad-word-of-mouth / flame them). I would guess that their customer base isn't so big that they can afford to lose people all the time. On the other hand, if you get a figure back with a grade that is better than you had hoped, that probably has a positive affect on your likelihood of doing business again.
And yet to stay credible, they have to maintain an objective image - something that is already being questioned, apparently.

I have two AFA graded MOC figures (which I bought already graded because they were such a good deal) both of which, in my ignorant opinion, seem fairly graded. However, I'd never send in a loose figure. I couldn't care less if my Spirit is a 75, 80 or 85 and don't see the benefit of paying to have it sealed away.

Apparently they aren't being objective if these figures are being graded like that. I garauntee if anyone else sends in figures in that condition it doesn't come back with that grade. If they do, then afa 85 isn't as wonderful as people have come to think. On their site, they describe an 85 to be c9 or right from the package with minor over sprays or factory flaws. All of those figures have play wear!

As far as having a loose figure sealed, why not? Like I am going to play with my mint Starduster??? How about my mint Silver Grand Slam?? Encasing them in acrylic cases with UV protection would be a great way to preserve them and would display very nicely. It's like having them become MOC again.

green firefly
01-12-2008, 01:23 PM
Unless you remove the O-ring and replace it with a stainless steel wire, and remove the screws and replace them with stainless steel screws - the figure's O-ring will break and the screws will rust eventually. Just take that into consideration before you get them graded.

Tim F.
01-12-2008, 02:04 PM
Unless you remove the O-ring and replace it with a stainless steel wire, and remove the screws and replace them with stainless steel screws - the figure's O-ring will break and the screws will rust eventually. Just take that into consideration before you get them graded.

That'll happen to MOC figures eventually too. Also, they won't grade any loose figures altered in any way shape or form (according to their site).

uterglue
01-12-2008, 02:04 PM
An AFA case isn't exactly the best protection for a loose figure. Most I have seem show paint marks on the acrylic case from the figure shifting around. This is very likely to happen when AFA sends the figure back to you and the mail system throws the box around. I prefer to put my loose figures in little plastic bags and I don't expose them to light very often. If you're keeping the figure or selling you or your pictures could probably tell/show the actual grade better than AFA.

green firefly
01-12-2008, 02:09 PM
That'll happen to MOC figures eventually too. Also, they won't grade any loose figures altered in any way shape or form (according to their site).

I know. I was just making a point. :)

Tim F.
01-12-2008, 02:23 PM
An AFA case isn't exactly the best protection for a loose figure. Most I have seem show paint marks on the acrylic case from the figure shifting around. This is very likely to happen when AFA sends the figure back to you and the mail system throws the box around. I prefer to put my loose figures in little plastic bags and I don't expose them to light very often. If you're keeping the figure or selling you or your pictures could probably tell/show the actual grade better than AFA.

This is how I have my figures stored right now (in bags away from light). I just wanted a way that I could display then and not have to worry about exposing them to light. What fun is it to have them hidden away???

They do case them with out grading too. I was just curious to see if my grading is on par with the "professionals." However, I'd be really ticked if I payed $40 and they said my mint figures were the same or worse than the one's cloud city is selling.

Urban Saboteur
01-12-2008, 04:37 PM
When it comes to storage, if you have a minty figure and want him to be sealed in plastic and on display, then thats the collectors decision. Again it's the same with most collectors, the thing that really is the issue here is not about storage.

It's more to do with an "association" who specialises in grading giving a c7 figure a c9.. or better grade to better their business practices.

It just depends really how you look at this I guess, maybe some will look at my store and say my prices are too high and some will say they are too low and i'm undervaluing them.

The AFA offer a service and it's largely based on the demand of the collector, the problem I feel "if it is one" is that this company should be setting a better standard than they currently are.
Just my thoughts on it.