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Falcone
02-02-2008, 08:31 PM
I was wondering if anybody has any preproduction figures in their collection or know anyone that does. I'm not talking about the prototypes, but the figures in the prepro. section (http://www.yojoe.com/preprod/). These figures would be truely unuiqe to have in a collection.
In a few cases the figures look better than the actual release, like this cobra officer (http://www.yojoe.com/archive/preprod/82/cobraofficer.jpg). I would rather they looked like that than what they actually looked like. The head sculpt is nice and the detail on the torso is great.

Cavalry Man
02-02-2008, 09:00 PM
I don't have any early stuff. But I do have one of the unproduced "Tiger Force" Steel Brigade figures (in the misc. section of years). http://www.yojoe.com/action/unknown/unknown_tfsb.shtml

I used to have 2, but I sold one to a collector in Canada a few years ago.

GI Steevy
02-02-2008, 09:42 PM
These figures would be truely unuiqe to have in a collection.
In a few cases the figures look better than the actual release, like this cobra officer (http://www.yojoe.com/archive/preprod/82/cobraofficer.jpg). I would rather they looked like that than what they actually looked like. The head sculpt is nice and the detail on the torso is great.
Keep in mind that many of those catalog images were done with hand painted prototypes, not production level product. For the most part, because of how far in advance toy companies work a LOT of those preproduction figures shown in catalogs are one of a kind customs, and it is VERY rare that any would be in collector hands.

SolidSnakeEyes
02-02-2008, 09:48 PM
Yeah, I've always thought those images looked better than the actual production figures. The gear wasn't flat, and actually looked like it could hold AK-47/Dragunov clips, haha.

Falcone
02-02-2008, 09:48 PM
For the most part, because of how far in advance toy companies work a LOT of those preproduction figures shown in catalogs are one of a kind customs, and it is VERY rare that any would be in collector hands.

Thats my point:)

Tattoo Shane
02-03-2008, 01:38 AM
I was wondering if anybody has any preproduction figures in their collection or know anyone that does. I'm not talking about the prototypes, but the figures in the prepro. section (http://www.yojoe.com/preprod/). These figures would be truely unuiqe to have in a collection. In a few cases the figures look better than the actual release, like this cobra officer. I would rather they looked like that than what they actually looked like. The head sculpt is nice and the detail on the torso is great.


For what it's worth, these figures are prototypes so i'm not 100% sure what distinction you're trying to make between prototypes and preproduction pieces - it's all one and the same.

These figures are all hand made resin "hardcopy" prototypes, which is why they have much greater detail. Each subsequent step in the production process shrinks the figure (1:1 hardcopies are actually about 3% bigger than a production figure) and reduces the crispness of the original sculpt (which is done at a 2:1 ratio). From 2:1 sculpt, to 1:1 HC, to 1:1 steel mold production, to first shots, detail is lost in each step. These early hardcopies also look better because they're hand painted.

In the case of the aforementioned Cobra Solider and many other figures (such as the alternate sculpt Tomax and Xamot prototypes) the sculpts will change over the course of the preproduction process and can differ slightly or greatly from the final production piece. These are especially sought after by prototype collectors.

As for the actual question of does anyone own some of them? Yes, a few are out there and reside in a handful of private collections.

pitch6lack
02-26-2008, 10:05 AM
any pics of preproductions gi joes? anyone has a carded glenda or cobra de aco moc?

RedClaw
02-26-2008, 11:51 AM
Pre-prod resin 1995 Dr. Mindbender (http://www.yojoe.com/archive/unproduced/drmindbender.shtml)

Falcone
02-26-2008, 04:21 PM
...snip...

My mistake, the difference I was making between preproduction and prototype is-

Prototypes being the final form of a figure like this (http://www.yojoe.com/archive/preprod/03/duke14.jpg) before being produced.

And Pre-production figures like this (http://www.yojoe.com/archive/preprod/82/cobraofficer.jpg) being figures that are handpainted and not the actual sculpt thats going to be used for the figure.

My original post is about the latter.

RedClaw
02-26-2008, 04:57 PM
My mistake, the difference I was making between preproduction and prototype is-

Prototypes being the final form of a figure like this (http://www.yojoe.com/archive/preprod/03/duke14.jpg) before being produced.

And Pre-production figures like this (http://www.yojoe.com/archive/preprod/82/cobraofficer.jpg) being figures that are handpainted and not the actual sculpt thats going to be used for the figure.

My original post is about the latter.

Then you should check out our pre-production archive (http://www.yojoe.com/preprod/)

KrymsynGardImmoral
02-27-2008, 12:28 PM
One way it was explained to me by a former R and D worker is that anything that is hand made, like resins, models, sculpts, etc, are referred to as Prototypes. Anything made by a factory, be it a test shot or pre-production figure with paint applied, was referred to as a VSP-vendor supplied product.

We bastardise a lot of these terms for our own use, some taken from previous Star Wars market knowledge due to the volume of material mined out of Kenner and other vintage licensees and employees by a dedicated group of collectors, and combined with an internet vernacular surrounding the exchange of information since then, sometimes being smooshed together with other collector's terms, industry terms, and the occasional language barrier you can hit in the pacific rim and China. Add all this with some fuzzy memories on the part of former employees, and you get a vocabulary of occasionally overlapping and redundant terms that can be confusing if you aren't familiar with them.

Probably the most misunderstood, I think, is the term "pre-production" because it can be bandied about and thrown at things that it may really not apply to. Take it literally-"Before production"-a figure that may repesent early version, previous to changes made, in a figure, the differs from the final production version. it can encompass a wide variety of figures, from the dark and Light Blue Anti Venom sets, which are full production quality but were unreleased as they were, representing paint schemes that were considered by hasbro Pre-the production of the final figures, to things like the green skinned Bombstrike, which was obviously a mistake, whether it was a miscommunication regarding whether the figure was going to have painted skin tones (even within that particular wave Hasbro was doing both painted and cast skin tones) or was just cast in a single color on a test basis.

I think that where the term pre-production is used incorrectly, at least in modern terminology, are figures where we have information that an item was slated to be released, but wasn't. Now, we don't always know this for sure, but the best example would be the cancelled wal-mart figures from 2003 or so. There are "earlier" paint schemes of them that have surfaced, but the 6 most frequently seen would, I feel, not be "pre-production" in that they were slated for release, so i would call them "unproduced" or "cancelled". the fourth wave of DTC figures, with their limited internet availability, would also fall into this category. This is more of an opinion of my own, based mainly on concrete retail oriented evidence.