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Bigbot
01-10-2009, 03:01 PM
Can someone please describe or provide pics of how the the USS FLAGG is sealed? I have a FLAGG in Box that is taped on both sides. I bought it back in '99 from a local Antique Shop. It has remained taped all these years exactly as I bought it. Today I wanted to check the inside, but I don;t want to break the seal if it is MISB. Thanks!!!

Skybuzz
01-10-2009, 03:49 PM
I Bought one back in 2000 something. Mine was sealed with only glue. There was no tape on it at all. It was something though. The FedEx guy had to wheel it in the house onto the living room floor!

Too bad I had to sell it... Ah well, I still have some pictures and some awesome memories...

SkyBuzz :)

Skybuzz
01-10-2009, 03:53 PM
Sorry, I'll see about finding my MISB pics. Many were put on disc before my old computer broke. Eventually when I find them, I'll put them up.

SkyBuzz :)

Satandy
01-10-2009, 06:56 PM
Hrm, how do you know its really in there?

Snake-eyes01
01-10-2009, 08:29 PM
Can someone please describe or provide pics of how the the USS FLAGG is sealed? I have a FLAGG in Box that is taped on both sides. I bought it back in '99 from a local Antique Shop. It has remained taped all these years exactly as I bought it. Today I wanted to check the inside, but I don;t want to break the seal if it is MISB. Thanks!!!

It may be easier if you took pics of both sides of your box so we could see what the tape/seals look like. I know there are people on here that could tell you for sure weather or not the tape on both box flaps are legit if you provided pics of them.

Bigbot
01-10-2009, 08:32 PM
Good idea. I sure will. Thanks!

In the meantime, I can tell you it's a clear tape with no lettering. It seems rather thin. My assumption is that it is not original and was only used to keep the contents together. The box itself is pretty sturdy, allowing me to believe that it still the parts inside in boxes.

I wanted to make sure before I made a booboo and ripped it apart. I don't have anyroom to put up the FLAGG. I just got the erge to look inside because I brought out my Defiant to look to see if I could find Hardtop's gun. The Defiant was definitely opened as it had tape ontop of tape. And no.....no sign of Hartop's gun. :( But I did find some very nice uncut filecards :)

derby0187
01-10-2009, 11:26 PM
Hrm, how do you know its really in there?

i have to admit i agree with you,i am a collcetor but i am still skeptic about buying misb....i mean you intend on keeping the value of it by keeping it sealed.....but are you 100% sure that the contents are legit.i am sure there are alot of scammers out there.
for instance i know its not the same subject but the idea is the same.i used to be a manager at a autozone store.well we sell and also do returns.i sold a brakemaster cylender to a customer one day (it was sealed by glue).needless to say he came back ****ed off.there was no part just a red brick.cometo find out by pulling the history of the partnumber.that item was sold before and returned for a full refund thinking it was still sealed and new and just restocked on the shelf.what i am trying to say is that anything can happen with people these days.i hope you all get my point.......besides anything i get thats sealed i open it up and way and put it togther,i prefer to look at the piece and not just the box

Bigbot
01-15-2009, 11:38 AM
Here you go folks...please let me know what you think. Obviously the Defiant is opened. I need to know if this is how the FLAGG came as I am not familiar with how it was originally sealed.

http://i310.photobucket.com/albums/kk423/mechman03/DSC03050.jpg

Viperman
01-16-2009, 01:44 AM
I admit that I to am unfamiliar with how the Flagg was sealed; but if that's a factory seal then I'll eat my hat. Before I went back to school I worked retail and I have never seen a factory tape seal use either ordinary clear packing tape or have a cross strip (which is off center to boot) for support.

kurthalsey
01-16-2009, 12:37 PM
My thoughts are that the 2 flaps don't meet very cleanly- quite a great deal of space and unevenness under the tape. I would think a factory seal of a brand new square box would be more perfect of a meeting of the flaps.

Also, the ripped off section on the red stripe would might make me think that the original tape pulled that part of the packaging off when it was removed originally.

Just my thought though.

Bigbot
01-16-2009, 01:08 PM
I am definitely inching towards ripping the thing open without having those second thoughts.

kurthalsey
01-16-2009, 03:03 PM
Is the other other the same? Different tape job, better seam?

If you've got room to display it, I say go for it. I can't think of anything cooler than a Flagg displayed with the beautiful box behind it as a backdrop!

bigjohnwoo
01-16-2009, 03:26 PM
The Flagg's ends were taped with clear tape like this. And it ran along the edge for the length of the sideflaps as well as being reinforced with a perpendicular strip at the halfway point like this box.

An explanation for the tear in the red stripe is that the Flagg was shipped in a container sleeve that was open on either end and taped to the Flagg. You could get paper tearing from the removal of that without opening the box.

This could be retaped, but from your photo so far, it looks MISB.

Every MISB Flagg I've seen has this tape configuration. Including the two graded ones I know about.

The misalignment of the flaps and gap is more concerning than the tape. I agree that a factory sealed box ought to have a better meeting of joints.

Just look for additional paper tearing or a sublayer of tape. Because they packed it with packing tape to non-glossy cardboard, it's nigh-impossible to remove tape cleanly from this box. If there's no tearing, and no double-taping, and the edges of the flaps look relatively unstressed, I'd call it MISB.

For Comparison:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gi-Joe-uss-flagg-aircraft-carrier-6001-never-opened_W0QQitemZ230312332759QQihZ013QQcategoryZ349 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Da_Last_2_Walk
01-16-2009, 03:38 PM
Are you considering selling this item?

Bigbot
01-16-2009, 06:51 PM
Thank you for your assessment. I am going to take more pictures to post. It has always been a treasured belonging for me, but I guess I didn't realize how special it really may be.

I didn't realize it was going for so much, but I guess that is not that important to me. I am still very tempted to finally open it after so many years. But, it is a difficult decision as I know there will be one less MISB FLAGG out in existance.

kurthalsey
01-16-2009, 11:02 PM
Could the (what appears to be) water damage on the left side have caused the cardboard to slip out from under the tape a bit? That might explain why the flaps don't meet perfectly.

Bigbot
01-17-2009, 07:18 AM
Yes that is a result of a flood the midwest experienced a few years ago. Water rose about 2 inches in the basement.

The history behind this find is this. I left work early one day back in '98/'99 as I had discovered a local antique store/mall that had a vendor that was selling a ton of vintage toys. He had such an awesome inventory that literally I did not know where to start. He had MIB stuff left and right including Transformers, Thudercats, Masters of the Universe and Star Wars. Of course the biggest things in the room were this DEFIANT and FLAGG.

I asked the price and he said $600 for each. I was working part-time and going to school at the time and that seemed like a ton of money. For whatever reason, I plopped my credit card down and hauled them away that day.

They had been in my parents basement for about 8 years until I got married and purchased my own home. I have been in my home for about a year now and decided to set-up my collection in the basement. I brought out the DEFIANT and now I am probably going to set-up the FLAGG.

Whatever happened to that guy? I went back a few times after that and bought a loose complete Optimus Prime (I own a MISB Opti as well, interesting buy and story for a different day) a MIB Omega Supreme and MIB Jet Fire, with the Robotech symbol. I lost track of him and actually just last week went and visited the area to find out the store had closed and been converted into a bar. Bummer...

P.S. I would really be interested in tracking down a Missle Command Center if I ever got the chance. If any one has any leads, please let me know.

masteratarms2ndclass
01-17-2009, 06:26 PM
Good looking piece. I have to agree with the rest that it does not "look" like it is factory sealed, but I sure don't "know". If I owned it, I would not call it MISB. My guess would be that it was retaped at some point, whether by an owner subsequent to retail or by the retailer, but it sure does not look factory sealed to me.

Great find for that price, whether 10 years ago or not. I know first hand that piecing together an imcomplete loose one sure can cost a lot more than $600... great looking piece and I sure would love to see pics once you open it and through the assembly process, if you are willing to share.

Bigbot
01-17-2009, 08:12 PM
Absolutely Master at Arms. I would love to share! I will document the opening and assembly and post for all to see...

kurthalsey
01-17-2009, 09:28 PM
When my dad built mine, he was smart enough to assemble it on a sheet of drywall so I could slide it all over the carpet and move it with ease. I'd suggest something like that for sure so you can lift it in one piece.