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setesh20
06-10-2004, 04:09 PM
THE MEMBERS OF G.I. JOE HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME HOW OLD ARE THEY AGE WISE? SNAKE EYES I BELIEVE FOUGHT IN VIATNAM, HAWK IS ANCIENT! BUT THEY ALL DON'T SEEM TO AGED MUCH.

danyanda
06-10-2004, 04:53 PM
There are a ton of problems with that if you look at it from a completely logical POV, but it is not nearly the stretch that many comics have with ages, etc... How long has MJ been around in the Spiderman comics, because she is one hot 67 year old. What about Lois Lane? Time to retire yet?
I just look at the Joe characters as ageless. The only real problem I see with that is that for kids that were born in the late 90s or early 00s rather than the lat 70s early 80s, the Vietnam war does not hold nearly the significance. Nor does the cold war. That takes away from them being able to understand that aspect of the characters.
All in all, though, the comic can just bend reality a little. No problem for me.

KING
06-10-2004, 04:55 PM
Dude, It's the comic world. Spidey is still a gosh darn teenager in looks. Gi Joe is ageless!!! Whats realy scary is me and my wife were just hanging in my computer room, I picked up my 82 straight armed snake eyes and I read the leg date. 82....... I told her I could remember the day I bought him..... 21 years ago.... Dang that makes old Snake Eyes able to drink with me at the pub!!!! Woooohoooo I got me some company now!!!!

Dreamweaver
06-10-2004, 06:22 PM
Wow! I thought I was the only one who had noticed the hole age thing, but now that you mention it acoarding to my calculations the Baroness is 51 years old and good old Snake-eyes should be around 54,55 years of age.
Now I agree with the hole "comic book caracters are ageless" logic but take spyder-man for example its been the same character
for decades but he doesent get older they just adapte his look to each generation and it seams to work fine but thats because the character lives in a sort of time capsule universe were the usual laws of phisics bend to the will of the writers, and on the other hand we have the Joe universe wich, well lets face it also bends to the will of the writers but it has more of a solid ground bases on reality wich means the characters have more solid backrounds to make them more real...real enough to age...and die,And thats why we care about how old our beloved Joe´s and Cobra´s get. So to recap:
Spyder-man and Super-man not real enough for us to care about the logics of time and space, we just enjoy them. G.I Joe just real enough to get us to worrie about theire pention plan.

firemanrh
06-10-2004, 06:44 PM
hay if toys was ment to age then barbi would be my grandmother

setesh20
06-11-2004, 02:36 AM
actually spider man did age and the comic ended in the 80's and was restarted from the begining. so actually spider man in the comics should be about 40 years old in the present comic. but he has aged he's grown up married MJ, aunt may died, harry died, and many other charaters have made transitions. gijoe has a historical timeline going through marvel and continuing to devils due with a ten year gap in between. so if you take the age of say snake eyes when gijoe was disbanded and add ten years and you have it. or how about Kamakura?

Xerofall
06-11-2004, 03:14 AM
And whats with the Simpsons?

Maggie has been a baby since 1989!

Dreadnok4life
06-11-2004, 12:40 PM
Everytime this subject appears in a thread I wonder what the motivation is for starting it in the first place. Obviously fantasy characters don't age. Batman would be around 90 years old if that was the case. These characters are in their own universe where they only age and die when the consumers stop caring about them.

What would be the benefit to make Snake Eyes, Duke, Scarlett, etc.. age? The only benefit I could see is they would eventually have to be removed from GI Joe and the character would in effect die. So I think people who are so absorbed with the fantasy character aging issue is really looking to just wipe the Joe Universe clean and start over. Otherwise who would want to see a 65 year old Scarlett wearing Depends and pushing a walker while battling 80 year old Dr. Alzheimers.. urrr.. Dr. Mindbender.

thespar
06-12-2004, 07:49 PM
I guess what made me think about their age was after reading m & a 1 and seeing what how wade look compared to snake amd stakler. I know snake had plastic sugary but then why does stakler look so young and do not forget about Tommy in the comics.

setesh20
06-12-2004, 09:45 PM
true all the people who were younger in the marvel series are all grown up, while the older characters are still the same, weird!

Dreadnok4life
06-15-2004, 09:22 PM
It's a comic book, not the History Channel. Spiderman was in college for like 15 years. Either he is awful slow.. or Marvel didn't age him realistically. Personally they should have left him in college. The series jumped the shark when he married MJ. There was nowhere to go after that.

TJH
06-17-2004, 07:07 AM
It's a fair question, and one that many of the responses have answered well: it is a comic, and we just have to let some things go.

It should be remembered, however, that G.I. Joe is vastly different from most other comics, especially fantasy. When you read a comic like Batman or Spiderman, the heroes had specific events happen to them in the past (like being bitten by a radioactive spider) but that event was not rooted to a specific time. Thus Spidey or Bats can always be 25 or thirty or whatever the comic wants them to be.

G.I. Joe is differnt. Like it or not, Snake-Eyes, Scarlett and Storm Shadow are the main charecters of G.I. Joe, with Snakes being the closest there is to the "star" of the series. (Larry Hama said this in an interview.) One of the most integral parts of SE's story is that he fought in Vietnam; that's where he met SS and Stalker, and when he came home his family was killed driving to the airport, and thus he began his ninja training. Unlike Spiderman, who could've been bitten by that spider in 1963, '73, or 2003, SE is specifically tied to Vietnam. That makes him, yes, 50 or 60, and it does the same for all his friends and enemies.

That's why Reloaded is such an intreaging idea. I don't particually like the comic that much, (I really like the main series) but at some point, if the age starts to bother you, it almost becomes nessasary.

Graz73
06-17-2004, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TJH:
...G.I. Joe is differnt. Like it or not, Snake-Eyes, Scarlett and Storm Shadow are the main charecters of G.I. Joe, with Snakes being the closest there is to the "star" of the series. (Larry Hama said this in an interview.) One of the most integral parts of SE's story is that he fought in Vietnam; that's where he met SS and Stalker, and when he came home his family was killed driving to the airport, and thus he began his ninja training. Unlike Spiderman, who could've been bitten by that spider in 1963, '73, or 2003, SE is specifically tied to Vietnam. That makes him, yes, 50 or 60, and it does the same for all his friends and enemies.

That's why Reloaded is such an intreaging idea. I don't particually like the comic that much, (I really like the main series) but at some point, if the age starts to bother you, it almost becomes nessasary.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TJH pretty much summed up what I would have said...
The joes in the ORIGINAL comic universe have to age to some degree... Because of the way Larry wrote the book back in the 80's, it's unavoidable. Even back in 82, most of the joes were already portrayed as seasoned veterans.

Reloaded is one way to avoid this problem resetting everyone to be young again and up to date, but it ALSO could be a really great way to let the aging progress continue in the original book.
For example, We can now read adventures of a young Snake Eyes in Reloaded, so why not let them him age and take on more of a Sensai role in the original universe? Other older joes can gradually retire or take desk jobs as the younger generation start going on the field missions more... (THis is already happening in the Devils Due comics to some extent) Maybe these younger characters will eventually rival the coolness of the older guys?

yo-man2
06-19-2004, 03:06 PM
se could easily be tied to the gulf war, military actions in afg, kosovo, or any other real or fictional conflict

Dreadnok4life
06-20-2004, 01:33 PM
G.I. Joe is differnt. Like it or not, Snake-Eyes, Scarlett and Storm Shadow are the main charecters of G.I. Joe, with Snakes being the closest there is to the "star" of the series. (Larry Hama said this in an interview.) One of the most integral parts of SE's story is that he fought in Vietnam; that's where he met SS and Stalker, and when he came home his family was killed driving to the airport, and thus he began his ninja training. Unlike Spiderman, who could've been bitten by that spider in 1963, '73, or 2003, SE is specifically tied to Vietnam. That makes him, yes, 50 or 60, and it does the same for all his friends and enemies.

You are correct. If Snake Eyes was a real person and had served in Vietnam, he would be at least 55 years old by now. However the problem many people have difficulty grasping is the Joe Universe and timeline is not the same as our timeline.

A month goes by between issues. Does that mean when a battle in the comic book takes place over two issues that it took a month for the battle to finish. Of course not. It's a comic book and the character's timeline does not relate to ours.

Maybe the Vietnam war occurred 12 years ago in the Joe Universe instead of the 30 years in ours. Maybe the entire Marvel run occurred over a 6 month period in the Joe timeline. Who knows.

Personally I want to see my favorite characters in their prime. As stated previously, who wants to see an old wrinkly Scarlett? I sure don't.

Joe Camel
06-24-2004, 07:38 PM
I'm 24 years old,and I've been playing with Joes since I could walk. I've read comics,watched cartoons,and had countless battles in my living room,back yard,friends houses,etc. Not once have I ever worried about how old Snake Eyes would be if he actually existed,and when I'm 55,I still won't care because to me Snake Eyes will always be the middle aged badass who could take out a whole army by himself blindfolded and one hand tied behind his back. If he were anything else,he would'nt be Snake Eyes. Why would you even worry about something like that unless you were delusional,and actually thought Snake Eyes was your next door neighbor or something? Do you think the kids today growing up playing with G.I.Joes will ever wonder about such futile matters? I certainly hope not for the sake of keeping G.I.Joe around for THEIR kids to enjoy. Anything that ages has to die eventually. Is that what you want...you wanna see Snake Eyes die? YOU WANNA RUIN G.I.JOE? WHY DON'T YOU JUST BREAK INTO MY HOUSE AND HOLD A GUN TO MY HEAD AND SAY "HEY,WE'RE HERE TO TAKE YOUR CHILDHOOD FROM YOU." ...(cocks tranquilizer gun........SNAP!).....k sorry about that. I think to clear this up,us 20 and 30 year olds will have the comics of the 80's,and 90's to keep in our minds as what WE called G.I.Joe,even though the younger Joe fans will never know how excited we were about swivel arms,and that Snake Eyes served in Vietnam. If anything,they might get a new comic book altogether with a continuity that corresponds to their generation,and then we can ALL know that G.I.Joe is forever good versus evil..........and just for the record,even if Scarlett WERE 55,I'd still worship that redheaded hottie.

foe hammer
06-25-2004, 06:04 PM
Snake Eyes may be 55 but ninjas can still fight when they are in their old age. Look at the Hard Master, and Soft Master. I think one of the things I never liked about the comic was none of the characters ever seemed to get better. Snake Eyes never really went to seek more ninja training. Ninjas dedicate themselves to bettering themselves. I think if things would have been done right Snake Eyes would be a better fighter at 55 than at 25. This is just a theory. I could handle a comic line with older joes who had been promoted and now trained new and younger joes. That would probably start a big commotion, but it would be pretty cool. Who knows, Snake Eyes could be a General. I don't think a timeline is necessary in comics, thats why they last so long. Eventually change is needed, but right now things are fine.

thespar
06-26-2004, 05:52 AM
Going back to issue 1 of DD runs that what it looked like is was going to be.