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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by FireFox91 View Post
    Of course they do, they want to sell them. There wouldn't be much demand for a Secto Viper helmet that wasn't clear. But really, I just don't feel it is worth all the hate. There is nothing in terms of regulation to stop people from making them. Hasbro sold that figure 25 years ago. Why would they care to preserve the value of it now?
    Going by this point of view, it'd also be alright to make reproductions of art, wine, etc or even other old collectibles of (typically) lesser value like stamps. The manufacturer or producer might no longer care, but the collectors who have spent time and money building up authentic collections probably do.

    If a reproduction is done so well yet not be clearly identifiable as being as such, there will be intent (not necessarily by the person doing the reproduction) to use it to scam people. That is the main problem.

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  3. #12
    This sucks. They should give a hint that it's a repro, to preserve the value of authentic accessories.

    Can't they just make a stamp in the inside if the helmet or something?

  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by 3DJoes View Post

    Can't they just make a stamp in the inside if the helmet or something?
    that would be added cost & take away from there profit margin , witch I would guess is pretty small anyway . if its made from a resin , then you would have to alter the original copy for it to show up on the reproduction resin piece . there is just no happy medium with this subject, I see both sides - the pros & the cons as it were. I appreciate having the ability to get a repo part, but then of course you don't really know if its original or repo if you don't know your getting a repo from a supplier ? say for a example- I buy a complete heavy metal on eBay , but its actually a repo mike instead of the original & then if you know for a fact you got a original mike for the same figure, how would you go to prove it if you wanted to sell it ? its a tough call either way

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  6. #14
    Your Heavy Metal example serves to put the exclamation point on my "indistinguishable repro parts are bad for the collectors marketplace!" line of thought.

    I am a completist and I've paid BIG money for a few items (star duster, Heavy Duty, Gold head Steel brigade). We all know Heavy Duty is a $10 figure incomplete. He's $100+ with the mic. Now that there are matching mics out there, you'll never know if you're getting the real deal if you don't have an authentic one to compare it to. It's sad. It hurts the market because it burns collectors that have worked hard, saved money, and bought the legit item. They'll probably never be able to get their money out of it now that repros are out there. That stinks. I don't plan on ever selling my loose complete collection, but you never know. I had to sell my complete AFA 82-86 collection to buy my house. It would be nice to know that my loose vintage figures are still holding their value, not being undercut by repros.

    It's a shame.

  7. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by fish&chips View Post
    Going by this point of view, it'd also be alright to make reproductions of art, wine, etc or even other old collectibles of (typically) lesser value like stamps. The manufacturer or producer might no longer care, but the collectors who have spent time and money building up authentic collections probably do.

    If a reproduction is done so well yet not be clearly identifiable as being as such, there will be intent (not necessarily by the person doing the reproduction) to use it to scam people. That is the main problem.
    Apples and oranges. You are comparing parts of one thing from the entirety of another. Is anyone making copies of just a part of artwork? If someone starts making copies of original artwork and passing them off as original, you can bet the original artist would be taking legal action to protect his work. Assuming that work has any value. Because the value of his previous work speaks to the potential value of his future work. That is worth protecting. The same principal doesn't apply to individual parts of a Hasbro toy. If someone started making repros of the entire vehicle, maybe they would care. Maybe. But individual parts aren't even worth their time because in the picture that is much larger than just this collecting community, they are still just toy parts. Keep in mind that Black Major has been knocking off their original work for years now and Hasbro hasn't even batted an eye. Sure, most of them aren't direct copies of the original item but some are. The fact of the matter is that for repros to stop, the original holder of the IP has to take some action. If they don't, there is no deterrent for someone to not make repros. This is one of those "don't hate the player, hate the game" situations. I get it, people don't like repros because it hurts the value of their original item. But honestly, this hobby has proven to be a terrible way to invest money.

  8. #16
    ^ BS. My AFA 82-86 collection netted a 15% profit over 5 years. And I had an immeasurable amount of fun compiling that collection. Not all Joes are a bad investment. Buying the newest Joe Club exclusive on eBay one week after release while the supply is down and demand is up is a bad investment. Buying a timeless figure that will hold it's value is never a bad idea.

    Black Major is damaging aftermarket value for once valuable figures. Plain and simple. Those that didn't buy the real deal might applaud his efforts, those that have worked hard and bought highly sought after figures/accessories will be undercut and rightfully pissed off about the devaluation of their prized possessions.

  9. #17
    I had no idea Alley Viper had repro pieces. Anyone know what they are, or if you can tell the difference from the original?

  10. #18
    Is it really necessary for this thread to devolve into the same old debate about repro parts? People disagree. We get it.

    The Black Major repros are factory produced, but they always have minor differences from the originals. A good collector should be knowledgeable enough to tell them apart. His Viper Pilots look good at first glance but have numerous differences.

    Being able to tell the real ones from the fakes is an essential skill in any area of collecting. If someone sells you a fake on ebay, then get your money back and leave negative feedback.

  11. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by SanitationViper View Post
    The Black Major repros are factory produced, but they always have minor differences from the originals. A good collector should be knowledgeable enough to tell them apart. His Viper Pilots look good at first glance but have numerous differences.

    Being able to tell the real ones from the fakes is an essential skill in any area of collecting. If someone sells you a fake on ebay, then get your money back and leave negative feedback.
    Figures are easy to spot. Accessories are not, and that's what they count on....
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  12. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by SanitationViper View Post
    Is it really necessary for this thread to devolve into the same old debate about repro parts? People disagree. We get it.
    I was going to offer up another counterpoint but you are absolutely right. There is no point because it will never come to a good conclusion.

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