How many Ranger qualified guys are in the Joe team?

**joebahama** · 05-21-2005

Here's what I found:
Beachhead
Stalker
Snakeeyes
Flint
Crazylegs
Sneakpeek
Freefall

I always assumed Hit and Run was a Ranger too but his filecard doesn't mention it.

As for these guys I don't know if any of them were in actual ranger units other than Beachhead and Stalker.

**sinnister** · 05-21-2005

I'm not 100% sure since I dont have all the file cards. However...according to Lady Jaye's file card she is 'ranger qualified'. Of course...in the real world...this is impossible. There are no female rangers or any ranger qualified female.

I'll also add that there are no female 'infantrymen/women' either in the real army...

**joebahama** · 05-21-2005

Originally Posted by sinnister

I'm not 100% sure since I dont have all the file cards. However...according to Lady Jaye's file card she is 'ranger qualified'. Of course...in the real world...this is impossible. There are no female rangers or any ranger qualified female.

Oh really, thats interesting. But do you think Hit n' Run looks like a ranger although his filecard doesn't mention it. I mean he looks better than most of those other guys like Sneakpeak (who's too fat) and Crazylegs whose uniform is ridiculous. I was considering army building 6 of him and using them to hang repeling from my BBI Blackhawk to simulate the Rangers. What do you think?

**sinnister** · 05-21-2005

Well...I'm not sure what a ranger is supposed to 'look like'.

Since you mentioned Sneak Peek...generally rangers are slim and trim. We had a much tougher PT regimine than other units. For instance...most units you only have to do a 2 mile run for the PT test. We would do the two mile run for time (I'd generally come in around 11:30 or so) and then you had to keep going another 3 miles. We also had to maintain at least a 90% on our PT test if we wanted to stay in battalion.

I really like the H&R figure. I treat the FC's with a grain of salt. They are fun to read and I want them all but thats about it. I'd probably use him in a ranger unit.

**sinnister** · 05-21-2005

I'll go ahead and address the whole female ranger/infantryman thing and I'll attempt to not sound chauvinistic while doing so.

It is physically impossible for a woman to do this. I'm not saying a woman 'couldnt' by any means. I know plenty of females that are tougher than me and could put a whoopin on me at their whim! We are built different that's all. For instance...I have been deployed and have not been able to take a shower for 3 months. A woman doesnt have this luxury. Since her urethra is much shorter than a man's, they are more prone to develope urinary tract infections, yeast infections, and things like that. Not to mention when it is her time of the month!!! The Army mandates that while in the field, a woman must have access to some sort of shower/bathing facility at least every 3 days. Being infantry or a ranger this is highly unlikely. We had to use baby wipes or the little hand wipe that comes in your MRE to clean our 'important parts'! Sure we stunk to high heaven...but we weren't as easily prone to infections caused by not bathing.

This all being said...I know several women that would make outstanding rangers if it werent for the hygene problems...

**joebahama** · 05-21-2005

So I assume this is also the case with other SF units like Seals, Marine Recon Delta etc.,.. That movie GI Jane is total unrealistic in my book. Oh and not to mention the fact about how a soldier would feel if a female soldier in his unit was captured or killed. Totally different mental situation there.

Originally Posted by sinnister

I'll go ahead and address the whole female ranger/infantryman thing and I'll attempt to not sound chauvinistic while doing so.

It is physically impossible for a woman to do this. I'm not saying a woman 'couldnt' by any means. I know plenty of females that are tougher than me and could put a whoopin on me at their whim! We are built different that's all. For instance...I have been deployed and have not been able to take a shower for 3 months. A woman doesnt have this luxury. Since her urethra is much shorter than a man's, they are more prone to develope urinary tract infections, yeast infections, and things like that. Not to mention when it is her time of the month!!! The Army mandates that while in the field, a woman must have access to some sort of shower/bathing facility at least every 3 days. Being infantry or a ranger this is highly unlikely. We had to use baby wipes or the little hand wipe that comes in your MRE to clean our 'important parts'! Sure we stunk to high heaven...but we weren't as easily prone to infections caused by not bathing.

This all being said...I know several women that would make outstanding rangers if it werent for the hygene problems...

**sinnister** · 05-21-2005

Originally Posted by joebahama

So I assume this is also the case with other SF units like Seals, Marine Recon Delta etc.,.. That movie GI Jane is total unrealistic in my book. Oh and not to mention the fact about how a soldier would feel if a female soldier in his unit was captured or killed. Totally different mental situation there.

Yes, as it stands now, females are in support type units. That's not to say that this wont change in the future as battlefields and unit tactics change. I still think it is exremely important for anyone in the military (combat arms or support) to be a proficient soldier first and then excel in their MOS. Take what happened in Iraq when that convoy was ambushed. They (males and females) were support. It proves that even though you are re-supply or a cook or whatever, there is still a chance that you will see combat and have to know how to squeeze that trigger effectively.

I joined the reserves after I got out of regular army and was absolutely appalled at the amount of 'soldiers' that could not disassemble an M-16 to clean it. If you join the army, you are a soldier first and then whatever your specific job title is.

**joebahama** · 05-21-2005

Originally Posted by sinnister

I joined the reserves after I got out of regular army and was absolutely appalled at the amount of 'soldiers' that could not disassemble an M-16 to clean it. If you join the army, you are a soldier first and then whatever your specific job title is.

What, There are soldiers that can't do that, That should be basic. Man I can never forget that. I am not even a soldier. Thats a shame. Small arms training is really basic, the military should make it mandatory for every section as well even Airforce and Coast Guard, combat readiness is essential in the war on terror.

**sinnister** · 05-21-2005

Originally Posted by joebahama

What, There are soldiers that can't do that, That should be basic. Man I can never forget that. I am not even a soldier. Thats a shame. Small arms training is really basic, the military should make it mandatory for every section as well even Airforce and Coast Guard, combat readiness is essential in the war on terror.

Agreed. However, for a reserve unit it could be different just out of lack of training. When I went into the reserves I had changed my MOS to the medical field so that I'd be able to find a job in the civilian sector. When you go to drill 2 days (one weekend) a month, you dont have a lot of time for training. What training is done is generally MOS specific. I dont blame the soldiers at all. I blame the leadership. In combat arms you are constantly handling, cleaning, using firearms so it just becomes second nature. Most of these reservists hadn't seen a rifle since basic training. If you dont keep using your skills you will lose them. With reserves/NG it's really hard to balance what training to do. You want your soldiers (in a medical unit) to be very proficient with all their medical stuff because that is what they are going to be doing when they get called out. You also have to plan for the unexpected....like the wrong turn that convoy took so that your soldiers can do what needs to be done there as well. I dont envy anyone in a leadership role in the reserves that's for certain. Too much to learn/train and way too little time to do it.