Does anyone know if Hasbro has considered any of the Joes as KIA and if so who?

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    Does anyone know if Hasbro has considered any of the Joes as KIA and if so who?

    I haven't followed the comics since I was about 15 and I can't really remember them much, so I am not sure who is dead from who isn't. I think I remember some Joes were killed in this place called Trucial Abysmia or something like that ; shot by a Saw Viper, and I believe it was Doc, Crankcase this Cool Breeze character and a few others. Then I also remember some Cobras also bought the farm when they were sealed up in a freighter. I also think Hasbro made reference to this on the new Croc master's filecard.

    So my question is Does anyone know if Hasbro has considered any of the Joes as KIA and if so who?
    Last edited by joebahama; 07-05-2005 at 05:17 PM.

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    I vaguely remember reading some article just before the line was relaunched where someone said they weren't going to remake ANY character killed in the comic...........so I GUESS that means that Hasbro considers those characters KIA.
    BUT, that was years ago right before the fist wave of T crotch Joes came out. Since then we've gotten Quinn, Gen Flagg, Flash, and Croc Master (and an upcoming Fred VII) all "dead" characters. So it looks like that policy has been forgotten.
    I'm glad because it just seems not right to take away all hope of a fan NOT getting another version of his favorite character just because he was killed off in a comic they may or may not have even read.
    (Quick Kick, Doc, Chuckles!!! )

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    The infamous, "dead is dead" rule is dead.

    IF there is a desire, any and all characters have equal chances of being made, regardless of how they were treated in related media. If fans really want a new Doc, Hasbro will probably due a new figure at some point.

    The comics are no longer considered as "holy" as they once were, thanks to the fact Billy Lagor is a cartoon fan.

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    there is one difference= dead characters are being reissued for the most part, not made as new figures really
    need 88 TF dusty crotch

  7. #5

    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by GI Steevy
    The infamous, "dead is dead" rule is dead.
    W00T!!! And so thankful for it too! GIJoe's story canon has been shaky from the beginning, and most fans couldn't accept it even when Larry Hama killed off some of the most popular old Joes.

    Thumbs up Hasbro!

    -PJ

  8. #6
    Agreed. As much as I loved the comic I sometimes disliked the choices made. How can you kill off Breaker and Doc?

  9. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by danielmd06
    Agreed. As much as I loved the comic I sometimes disliked the choices made. How can you kill off Breaker and Doc?
    Now I know why I stopped with the comics. Breaker and Doc define GI Joe just as much as Duke and Flint, in fact they were on the team before them. I hope Hasbro doesn't stick with the comic storyline in releasing new sculpts.

  10. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by danielmd06
    Agreed. As much as I loved the comic I sometimes disliked the choices made. How can you kill off Breaker and Doc?
    I think the choices Larry Hama made were excellent; how realistic would that have been if he only would have killed off the lame characters? As far as emotional impact goes, it made much more of a wallop when I saw Doc die than it did when BF2000 got dx'd. I was shocked and I felt really bad afterwards. That's war, and life, unfortunately. The good ones die just as often as the bad ones.

    I understand why people are upset that Quick Kick & Doc died. I felt bad when they were killed too. I don't see why they shouldn't be made into new figures either.

    As far as the comic goes, I still believe it is the only true source of Joe material for myself, because of the integrity and believability that Hama brought to the series. The cartoon, while enjoyable in its own way, and the later comic series just did not have high quality stories that the Hama series did.
    Whatever doesn't make me stronger only kills me

  11. #9

    1 thing the Brit writers had over Hama. . .

    Forget that Mangler and Cool-Breeze nonsense. They just didn't connect with the readers, usually due to some serious teamwork flaw that made us wonder why they ever made the Joe team to begin with.

    Marvel really didn't have to kill off any of the characters sold at retail. There was another alternative out there available only in the UK comics. Those BAF cats had the market cornered on killing off supporting characters and making it look like a real loss.

    I'd love to have KIA Joes like these, try to look past their civvies for a sec. . .

    http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/Blood/Shield%2016.html

    . . .or at least make 'em out of Greenshirts.

    http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/Blood/Shield%2017.html

    Primary MOS: Close Quarter Specialist
    2ndary MOS: Bodyguard/Undercover (like unto Chuckles)

    http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/Blood/Shield%2018.html

    Maybe they were related. So much potential. Snif'! Oh Buckshot. . .Pumpgun, we hardly knew ye.

    There! In just three B&W comic pages, I felt more loss for those soldiers than for Mangler, Cool-Breeze, or even Dee-Jay for that matter.

    -PJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by curmudgeon
    I think the choices Larry Hama made were excellent; how realistic would that have been if he only would have killed off the lame characters? As far as emotional impact goes, it made much more of a wallop when I saw Doc die than it did when BF2000 got dx'd. I was shocked and I felt really bad afterwards. That's war, and life, unfortunately. The good ones die just as often as the bad ones.
    I agree with you that it is much harder emotionally to see Doc, Breaker or Flash get killed than Tracker or Battle Force 2000. Of course you are totally correct about war and life having a seemingly haphazard quality to it. Nobody ever said it was fair.

    The annoying thing here is that I used that exact same argument myself when defending the deaths of some of those same characters to other Joe fans back in the day. I guess it comes down to where we each personally draw the line for "realism" with various issues like the JUMP packs, psychic Crimson Guard twins, Serpentor, Zartan, Cobra Commander's "death," the invincibility of Snake-Eyes etc.

    My personal expectations for reading comic books have changed somewhat from when I was in high school. I don't necessarily want to see true realism so much these days. The point of reading these books now (for me) is to escape from life's seriousness for a brief time. Killing off characters like Breaker or Doc seems questionable to me when compared to the veritable plethora of newer and more shallow individuals that could be sacrificed for the sake of "real war" in a comic book. My logic is that in addition to fan enjoyment, I have found that richer, more vibrant characters truly contribute more to the depth of the stories. This is why (I think) Larry Hama "resurrected" the original Cobra Commander in the Marvel comics--realism notwithstanding.

    I suppose it all comes down to your own preferences. Do you want pure realism, fiction, or some mix of both? They are good stories regardless.

    I apologize for the majority of this post having nothing to do with figures of KIA characters. I say make 'em even if the character is officially dead, though.

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