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    (PICS!) Mickey Mouse Commander with blue waist piece?

    I have a cobra commander 82 Mickey Mouse here that doesn't have any paint on the waist piece... and I really mean no paint at all (not like it was scrubbed away or something, the figure is in overall C9 condition...).

    I tried to check if anybody ever heard of this before. I suppose it could be possible that there was a first version that came with unpainted waistpiece since this is after all one of the first ever joe figures... and they weren't big on the paint apps in the first serie..

    Anyone?
    Last edited by L'Ombrageux; 09-18-2005 at 05:43 PM.

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    I'm guessing just a paint error where that piece got missed. You should post some pics.
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    Well.. that was a safe guess :P

    I thought about that one too, but that's why I posted here, anyone else have one of those "factory error" that we could actually call a variation?

    Anyway here's an attached pic of the item, I was thinking about selling or trading it lately for a scarce SE piece... but I'm not sure about it.
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    Does it have the date stamp and "Made In" markings on the back of waistpiece?
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    Yep, 1982 Hasbro, made in Hong Kong

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    Well then, I guess you should find out if there are any "full" unpainted CC prototypes out there. Maybe someone just swapped waists (don't know why but it's possible)
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    Well then, I guess you should find out if there are any "full" unpainted CC prototypes out there.
    Nah, this mold wasn't used recently in any figure, and it has a 1982 marking... if this was switched from an actual 1981-82 prototype test shot (not that we actually even know some of them exists..)... wow... that would be a stupid move..

    Well, I guess it's an 80s factory error then, they forgot to paint the piece.. or the first few figures that went out didn't have a painted waistpiece... but then again, who has a Mickey Mouse Commander here that could add to this discussion? The figure is quite scarce.. there could be 5-10% of the production with a straight blue waist piece and this could be the only one to pop up on these forums I suppose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'Ombrageux
    Well, I guess it's an 80s factory error then, they forgot to paint the piece.. or the first few figures that went out didn't have a painted waistpiece... but then again, who has a Mickey Mouse Commander here that could add to this discussion? The figure is quite scarce.. there could be 5-10% of the production with a straight blue waist piece and this could be the only one to pop up on these forums I suppose...
    I have two Mickey Commanders, two straight-arm second logo Commanders, and three swivel-arm Commanders. All seven have the same waist-piece stamped 1982 Hasbro / Made in Hong Kong in two separate lines on the back. I have never seen or heard of a Mickey Commander with an unpainted waist.

    My opinion is that you've got one of two things. (1) Someone was "building" a Mickey Commander and used a separate waistpiece from a different Commander figure. (2) A bona fide Hasbro paint error. I've seen plenty of cardback mistakes and heard of paint mistakes on figures. Why not one more?

    I don't want to "burst your bubble," but I think that the first scenario is the simpler and more likely explanation. I also think it highly unlikely that this is a prototype or test shot figure, or that the earliest few Mickey Commanders had unpainted waists. If the second scenario is true, then I still wouldn't consider the figure to have any great value beyond that of a typical Mickey Commander in the same condition.

    Caveat: I'm not pretending to be the Mickey Commander expert here. You asked for opinions and that is all I am giving.

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    I'm not pretending to be the Mickey Commander expert here. You asked for opinions and that is all I am giving.
    Sure, that's why I posted here.. I'm not pretending to have a holy grail piece in my hands either.. just checking up if someone else ever saw or heard about this strange piece. Because all the theories so far don't really stand:

    1- Someone "build" this Mickey Commander and took the piece from another cobra commander: well which Cobra Commander came with the 1982 stamped unpainted blue piece? If someone is "building" a Mickey commander from a perfect logo torso and CC straight arms, how come he doesn't use an easy to come by standard "painted" Cobra Commander waist piece (straight or swivel.. they're easy enough to come by, and with all the bad logos 1st version CC out there, there must be more than enough waist pieces to spare in the world..). EDIT: Just checked, it would have to be a straight arm waist piece, since swivel are marked 82-83... that kind of throw out the window that theory in the first place, I doubt there's any other CC figure than the Straight arm CC that have this waistpiece...)

    2- Torso piece from a prototype: No recent figures used the waist piece of CC 1982, this mold is probably long gone, so to get a prototype test shot piece of this particular piece would mean to have a test shot that is more than 20 years old... kind of insane to think someone would have used this to "rebuild" a Mickey CC...

    So basically the most logical possibility to date is a genuine factory error... an unpainted waist piece that bypassed their 80s Quality control... unless there's more than a few out there and we have a genuine variation.

    Anyone else?
    Last edited by L'Ombrageux; 09-18-2005 at 10:24 PM.

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    I rechecked my swivel-arm Cobra Commanders and they all have the date 1982, not 1982-1983.

    As to "building" with a blue waist piece? Stranger things have happened, though in rereading it seems less likely to me now.

    It would also be logical for the paint to be cleaned off by a collector if there was paint wear (say on the belt buckle) to begin with. Perhaps a collector had the intention of repainting later?

    Where did you purchase the Commander from? Could the original owner give any additional information?
    Last edited by danielmd06; 09-19-2005 at 12:10 AM.

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