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    AFA Loose graded figures

    I have some figures I was considering having afa graded for my display case. Please don't flame this, it's not about resell or making money, just encasing some figures for display purposes only. Anyhow, Is this really an 80 or is there some foul play involved here?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1984-Hasbro-GI-J...QQcmdZViewItem

    http://cgi.ebay.com/1982-Hasbro-GI-J...QQcmdZViewItem

    I'd rate this figure as "fair" c7 at best. Does anybody have any loose graded figures to compare? Either they (afa) have really low standards or this guy is pulling some sort of scam (he has a dozen more like this)

    Sorry Mods if this is the wrong place.
    Last edited by Tim F.; 01-11-2008 at 11:19 PM.

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    I've seen worse grading, but yeah I wouldn't say that was an 80. 75 tops, IMO.


    I'm SHOCKED that an over graded item is being sold by Cloud City, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotproblems
    I've seen worse grading, but yeah I wouldn't say that was an 80. 75 tops, IMO.


    I'm SHOCKED that an over graded item is being sold by Cloud City, though.
    I he notorious for that or something?

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    You can search the numbers on afa to verify them. There figure grades seem to be higher than there mocgrades for figures for some reason though
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    If the paint wear was the only problem and joints were spectacular, they'd get a C8 on my grading scale. AFA is typically harsher on their grades and for any other customer, those would be 70 - 75.

    Cloud City Collectibles, IIRC, owns AFA. You can draw your own conclusions from there. For some reason the word "collusion" comes to mind, but that's just me.

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    I don't think they own them anymore, if they ever did. IIRC, they're very close to each other (geographically), plus I think Tom Derby, who works for AFA (or is at least contracted for rare items), was once affiliated with Cloud City. So you can see why people think they're in cahoots.

    I like the AFA (not particularly for GI Joe, but for other toy lines), and I think the service they provide (protecting your figures, peace of mind when buying a graded figure) is good for individuals, not so good for collecting as a hobby. I just think it's funny that whenever a questionable grade pops up, 9 times out of 10 it's being sold by Cloud City.

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    Unhappy AFA & Cloud City.

    Wow.. my spirit has gold on his wrists.. I should get him graded if that's the case..
    In my opinion those figures aren't worth the $50 & $60 they've quoted. Sure thing they are graded but..
    I really expect a company like Cloud City to be setting the standards, those figures could be picked up from ebay in better condition for half that price.

    Maybe I'm wrong, maybe i'm undervaluing my own figures then?
    For example I have Flash, he's mint and I'd probably say a good c9
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/G-I-Joe-Flash-...QQcmdZViewItem
    That's about $16 right? it's ungraded, but what your saying is that if that were cloud city it would probably be more like $99-$120 after being graded.

    Tom Darby and Cloud City, I guess you have to have sufficient proof that they are "in cahoots" lots of people say this, (me included). Without actually knowing they are and having proof then it's just speculation I guess.

    I think AFA aren't doing enough on the moc's .. so they've moved to grading loose items, in my humble opinion their grading system is just as substantially poor on the loose items as it was on the moc's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Saboteur
    Wow.. my spirit has gold on his wrists.. I should get him graded if that's the case..
    In my opinion those figures aren't worth the $50 & $60 they've quoted. Sure thing they are graded but..
    I really expect a company like Cloud City to be setting the standards, those figures could be picked up from ebay in better condition for half that price.

    Maybe I'm wrong, maybe i'm undervaluing my own figures then?
    For example I have Flash, he's mint and I'd probably say a good c9
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/G-I-Joe-Flash-...QQcmdZViewItem
    That's about $16 right? it's ungraded, but what your saying is that if that were cloud city it would probably be more like $99-$120 after being graded.

    Tom Darby and Cloud City, I guess you have to have sufficient proof that they are "in cahoots" lots of people say this, (me included). Without actually knowing they are and having proof then it's just speculation I guess.

    I think AFA aren't doing enough on the moc's .. so they've moved to grading loose items, in my humble opinion their grading system is just as substantially poor on the loose items as it was on the moc's.
    Rich
    Wow talk about a lack of business ethics!!! I am going to send a straight arm flash that is leaps an bounds ahead of their "80." It'll be interesting to see how they grade my figure. If it's the same or less, then I'm done with afa on principle alone. Who could support a crooked operation??

    Does anyone have a pic of any loose graded figure?? I just want others to compare it with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Saboteur
    I think AFA aren't doing enough on the moc's .. so they've moved to grading loose items, in my humble opinion their grading system is just as substantially poor on the loose items as it was on the moc's.
    Rich

    That, and there are only so many AFA'able MOC items around nowadays - definitely a finite resource, that is drying up. I don't know anyone who would bother AFA'ing anything after 1990 (apart from the Hasbro PDD situation ).

    I was considering the issue that if you send in a figure that gets a poorer grade than you think it deserves, you are much less likely to do business with them again (and to give them bad-word-of-mouth / flame them). I would guess that their customer base isn't so big that they can afford to lose people all the time. On the other hand, if you get a figure back with a grade that is better than you had hoped, that probably has a positive affect on your likelihood of doing business again.
    And yet to stay credible, they have to maintain an objective image - something that is already being questioned, apparently.

    I have two AFA graded MOC figures (which I bought already graded because they were such a good deal) both of which, in my ignorant opinion, seem fairly graded. However, I'd never send in a loose figure. I couldn't care less if my Spirit is a 75, 80 or 85 and don't see the benefit of paying to have it sealed away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunt 4 mvp
    That, and there are only so many AFA'able MOC items around nowadays - definitely a finite resource, that is drying up. I don't know anyone who would bother AFA'ing anything after 1990 (apart from the Hasbro PDD situation ).

    I was considering the issue that if you send in a figure that gets a poorer grade than you think it deserves, you are much less likely to do business with them again (and to give them bad-word-of-mouth / flame them). I would guess that their customer base isn't so big that they can afford to lose people all the time. On the other hand, if you get a figure back with a grade that is better than you had hoped, that probably has a positive affect on your likelihood of doing business again.
    And yet to stay credible, they have to maintain an objective image - something that is already being questioned, apparently.

    I have two AFA graded MOC figures (which I bought already graded because they were such a good deal) both of which, in my ignorant opinion, seem fairly graded. However, I'd never send in a loose figure. I couldn't care less if my Spirit is a 75, 80 or 85 and don't see the benefit of paying to have it sealed away.
    Apparently they aren't being objective if these figures are being graded like that. I garauntee if anyone else sends in figures in that condition it doesn't come back with that grade. If they do, then afa 85 isn't as wonderful as people have come to think. On their site, they describe an 85 to be c9 or right from the package with minor over sprays or factory flaws. All of those figures have play wear!

    As far as having a loose figure sealed, why not? Like I am going to play with my mint Starduster??? How about my mint Silver Grand Slam?? Encasing them in acrylic cases with UV protection would be a great way to preserve them and would display very nicely. It's like having them become MOC again.

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