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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by RedClaw
    Tanner, how about we call them what we used to before all of the drama - Test-Shots for plastic injection molded figures, and Prototypes for resin and pre-injection mold manufacturing?
    Gez Terry if you want to go that route we might as well stop with all creativity and ditch the following:

    Pimp Daddy Destro and Party Scarlett...

    The whole point of this was to come up with another name people would latch onto and actually use in place of Midnight Chinese Run.

    I guess I'll just go back to the ole status quo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimeNYBT
    Red Claw,

    Can I submit pictures of the blue anti venom task force figure for the archives? This way people know the exist.
    You can email them to [email protected].
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  4. #33
    Not to try and derail this thread, but what exactly is a "Party Scarlet"? I'd never heard that term before this thread and can't find anything on searches... The PDD and TF Steel Brigade and stuff, I've seen, but I've just never heard of "Party Scarlett" before.

    As for the "Midnight Chinese" moniker, I don't personally see it as derogatory, but ignorant. For the longest time, that's what a lot of people's understanding of the figures was (including myself), and probably still is. I think that threads/sub-forums like this will go a long way to remove the stank from the term, if not change it altogether.

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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by yodafett_77
    Not to try and derail this thread, but what exactly is a "Party Scarlet"? I'd never heard that term before this thread and can't find anything on searches...
    If I am thinking of correct figure, there is also a much less flattering name for it - "Strip Tease" Scarlett (keeping in the theme of PDD) or even Cutie Honey Scarlett since it looks a bit like the Cutie Honey anime character.


    It is basically this figure:


    With the tan/yellow stripe on the uniform in the middle of the chest painted flesh color.

    I have one but I don't have it handy to take a picture of.
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  7. #35
    I dont think its ignorant at all. I know for a fact that some of the stuff made was not hasbro preproduction, but made specifically for resale to collectors on the secondary market. I have seen it first hand.

    "Midnight chinese" is very accurate in describing SOME gi joe products. I am not saying most, or all, obviously, and i certainly have no idea about the tf steel brigade.

    All i'm saying about the tf steel brigade is that it is a very interestingly made figure, in that it has NEW molds incorporated into it, it is plastic, not resin, and has both facory and hand paint. I'm not drawing any conclusions or trying to do anything. Thats all. Just trying to better understand the production process if in fact it is a hasbro preproduction piece (which again, i'm not doubting).

    Party scarlett, btw, is the scarlett with flesh tone paint painted down the center of her torso.

    edit: oops...dockingbay beat me to it

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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by cobrasaboteur
    I dont think its ignorant at all. I know for a fact that some of the stuff made was not hasbro preproduction, but made specifically for resale to collectors on the secondary market. I have seen it first hand.

    "Midnight chinese" is very accurate in describing SOME gi joe products. I am not saying most, or all, obviously, and i certainly have no idea about the tf steel brigade.

    -saboteur
    For someone who mentions having no idea, your first statement sounds pretty "informed", I'd like to toss a few follow-up questions at you...

    How long did you spend in the orient with these infamous Hasbro-Pirating Nocturnal Asian Toy bootleggers?

    Since you have seen it first hand, and what are your facts regarding their creation specifically to be sold to the American GI Joe Buying Ebay market? (all....2 dozen or so of us at the time...)

    I think you'll need to furnish a list of these SOME GI Joe products you're casting doubt on, after all, you're using ambiguous terms like SOME, but not saying MOST, or ALL, even though you have no idea about one in particular...

    Where did you stay when you were in Hong Kong during your first-hand knowledge aquisition of all this?

    How is the food in Asia, pretty good?

    Where did you stay? An awful lot of the fatories over there, especially the Hasbro factories have really, really tight security pertaining to non-employees or non-clients, how did you get in? To get your first hand knowledge of these midnight Chinese bootlegs that were manufactured for the American GI joe Buying Ebay market?

    I am CURIOUS.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by cobrasaboteur
    thats a cool pic!! I understand that that would make sense...but in this case the head IS a new mold. The reason i ask is because i was told by some people here that plastic handpainted figures just werent used in photoshoots...they are ALL handpainted resin hardcopies. Obviously that jinx, as well as the tf steel brigade puts a gaping hole in this logic.

    -saboteur
    I'm not sure if you're referring to the conversation we had on TNI about that Cobra Soldier of yours but if you are and this is how you understand things, then i think you might have missed most of the points made (and i mean no offense but it's not the first time you've misquoted/misunderstood me either).

    To be absolutely clear, there are most certainly plastic first shot figures that are handpainted out there. They have many uses, including being used as photo samples. More often than not the items used in photo shoots were resin hardcopies, but not always. Some were just plain production figures as well.

    The thing you have to understand about the pre-production process (or indeed any of Hasbro's internal workings) is that there is no black and white, by-the-book process used. It's not something you can say definitively what was and what was not employed. There is a general set of rules you can follow, but you also have to use your experience to judge each piece you find on a case by case basis (which i did when looking at your figure).
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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by dockingbay97
    If I am thinking of correct figure, there is also a much less flattering name for it - "Strip Tease" Scarlett (keeping in the theme of PDD) or even Cutie Honey Scarlett since it looks a bit like the Cutie Honey anime character.


    It is basically this figure:
    *snip*

    With the tan/yellow stripe on the uniform in the middle of the chest painted flesh color.

    I have one but I don't have it handy to take a picture of.
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  11. #39

    Red face

    thanks for the sarcasm! as a mod you're really setting a good example for the rest of the posters.

    as far as my seeing it first hand...the internet is a beautiful place. It makes trips to china unnecessary in the modern age. Thats all i'm saying...you can believe me or you're certainly entitled to not believe me.

    there have been some figures that were used in the preproduction process for hasbro and sold on ebay...and there are some items that have been sold where hasbro was never aware of their creation. I think the name "midnight chinese" is quite fitting to these latter items...be as it may that the whole story about them being made at night after the factories closed down arent necessarily true.

    -saboteur

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by cobrasaboteur
    thanks for the sarcasm! as a mod you're really setting a good example for the rest of the posters. -saboteur

    Mainly directed at the posters making false claims about their intimate knowledge of Hasbro, their factories, and Asian cuisine, then refusing to back it up with anything concrete.

    Quote Originally Posted by cobrasaboteur
    as far as my seeing it first hand...the internet is a beautiful place. It makes trips to china unnecessary in the modern age. Thats all i'm saying... -saboteur
    You know, for someone begging for clarification and information in previous posts in this thread and on this forum, you certainly clam up quickly when asked about your own intimate knowledge of the process and products. "That's all I'm saying...But can you please answer my other questions so i can tell you how much more I won't say?" I guess there is some new virtual reality program i am not aware of? One that eliminates the need for travel? I bet the tourism industry will be taking a MASSIVE hit.

    Quote Originally Posted by cobrasaboteur
    there have been some figures that were used in the preproduction process for hasbro and sold on ebay...and there are some items that have been sold where hasbro was never aware of their creation.
    You've spoken with Hasbro!!!!?

    OK, NOW you have my respect...After all, speaking to every possible Hasbro R+D employee and specifically GI Joe team member for the last 6 or 8 years must to interview them about what they knew or didn't know about the existence of SPECIFIC FIGURES that showed up on Ebay out of Asia must have been incredibly time consuming, and shows a dedication to the cause that few, myself included, are not prepared to show...BRAVO. Especially considering how little they are really allowed to talk about what happens in the building...I mean, heck, I know very little in comparison, and I had to sign a non discosure agreement to even talk with them at all. Did you go to Rhode Island in person, or just "internet" yourself there to talk to them? I hear it is a "beautiful" thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by cobrasaboteur
    you can believe me or you're certainly entitled to not believe me.
    Thanks, while in previous rampant threads on other forums, I may have gone either way on the subject, from here on in, I'll definitely opt for the LATTER of the two.
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