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\r\n Just a heads up to a seller, selling fakes\r\n
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\r\n [QUOTE=Artic Fox]Looks like this seller on ebay is selling the fakes as originals.
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\r\n You could report it to ebay if it concerns you.\r\n
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\r\n I see the rivets, but where would this come from? just wondering since it looks real\r\n
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\r\n i went through and contacted the other people who he\'s already sold the fakes to. told them they bought fakes and how to tell. we\'ll see what they do from here. sucks that they already left him good feedback though.\r\n
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\r\n Theres also someone selling fake Storm Shadows from hong kong.\r\n
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\r\nHere is the current link, to the SS fakes. Also, many more auctions for one or ten in a set. At least the seller gives the buyer a close-up of the "made in china" rear shot. As we all know, a real SS is made in Hong Kong. So if you are a buyer and are expecting the real deal, you are stupid.
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\r\nJust because these were made in china does not mean they are fakes. Many Gi Joe figures were made in china and they are fully licensed by Hasbro.\r\n
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Just because these were made in china does not mean they are fakes. Many Gi Joe figures were made in china and they are fully licensed by Hasbro.
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\nDude, come on!! You own a resale store for pete sake. So what are you saying? That a 1984 SS could have been "made in china" as the back of the crotch says. Because I looked at the back of my "real" SS and it clearly says "made in hong kong". I don\'t recall Hasbro fully licensing a 1984 SS "made in china". I do recall Hasbro fully licensing figures from about 1988, untill they started making them in Indonesia.
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You are absolutely correct, these were made in China!! But they are not original 1984 SS that were distributed between 1984-1986
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You cant compare the Storm Shadows to the Viper Pilots and Cobra Soldiers. Two completely different topics. To be honest no one even knows the origin of the Pilots and Soldiers other than they are considered fakes. The Storm Shadow made in China is a legitimate variation made by Hasbro post 1984.
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Ok, where are these legitimate variations made by Hasbro post 1984 in the archives. I know of one unique example, of this. I believe Belgian or Dutch SS were made for a convention, they were bagged not carded, not sure if they had weapons. They would have been exactly like the real SS "made in hong kong" during the 80\'s.
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\r\n I\'m erring on the side of Bootleg with these. Considering the unreal quantity and the fact that the seller has yet to show any packaging, US or otherwise, I suspect the seller is withholding information. Why can\'t he at least provide pictures of the damaged packaging, if it exists? If these are licensed Chinese SS figs, then the auctions are still fraudulent as the seller lies about their origin.
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\r\nLast year (2008), I bought some of the reproduction carded Storm Shadows (on reproduction Chinese cardbacks).
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\r\nBoth the 2008 and 2009 reproductions are identical... except for the cobra symbol... which is more well defined in the second run.
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Originally Posted by
just_joes_by_mike
Ok, where are these legitimate variations made by Hasbro post 1984 in the archives. I know of one unique example, of this. I believe Belgian or Dutch SS were made for a convention, they were bagged not carded, not sure if they had weapons. They would have been exactly like the real SS "made in hong kong" during the 80's.
These are clearly fakes. They may not be made by the same people who are involved but they would fall under the same bootleg forum. If you look at the pics, especially the arm rivets, they are fakes. Here is the discussion link, that talks about the SS knockoffs.
http://forums.yojoe.com/showthread.php?t=66440
There is a legitimate variation made in China that is NOT A FAKE !
http://yojoe.com/international/china...rmshadow.shtml
Last edited by TYPE*S*TOYS; 04-11-2009 at 11:25 PM.
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