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  1. #11
    Here is my take on the AFA phenomenon:

    I used to collect baseball cards when I was a kid and into my teen years. My friends and I would trade for what we though was valuable to us. When Beckett the magazine came out it started to put a value on what they thought were the market value of cards. Each month we would buy the magazine and see what cards were declining or getting hot. This made trading very equitable for both sides because you could see what your cards were worth.

    Then the grading system hit!! At first, only the very special cards were actually graded, like a Griffey UD Rookie or older rookie cards. Then everything seemed to need to be graded!! Since when was a 1990 Wade Boggs graded U90 worth more than a Tony Gwynn ungraded rookie card that to the eye is perfect? I had enough and stopped collecting when I could not afford the packs any longer.

    How does this relate to AFA gi joe? I would say that to some having their items graded by a third party system insures they know the items condition in relation to any other like item having gone through the same grading system. But!! That by no means provides a real value to your item. For instance, I see some auctions which state "only 1 of 2 graded", so that gives a perception of rarity. Well what if everyone who has this item starts to send theirs in to be graded. Some of those items will fall into the above category and then your "1 of 2" will be "1 of 100" So the more AFA grades and collects your money, the lower your value for the item becomes!!

    I saw a silver pad grand slam sell for over $3K this week, AFA graded. In my opinion, when buying AFA from ebay, you are buying at the top of the market always and will never have your items appreciate. I would rather rely on the old supply and demand theory, not have it manipulated for profit by a third party, then sell it as a way to preserve the value of your collectible. Or as a collector, would rather own all the gi joes from 1982-1994 loose and complete, rather than one AFA graded silver pad grand slam!!
    Last edited by just_joes_by_mike; 08-10-2010 at 10:34 PM.

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  3. #12
    The reserve for that Grand Slam was not met. I would have paid that amount due to its rarity and condition (I judge by the pics not what AFA grades), if I could afford it. And then I would have proceeded to break open the AFA case and open the MISB box...

    In the current market values of most AFA graded items have started to drop pretty significantly. Anything 80 or below sells for roughly the same as non-graded pieces now.

  4. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by fish&chips
    The reserve for that Grand Slam was not met. I would have paid that amount due to its rarity and condition (I judge by the pics not what AFA grades), if I could afford it. And then I would have proceeded to break open the AFA case and open the MISB box...

    In the current market values of most AFA graded items have started to drop pretty significantly. Anything 80 or below sells for roughly the same as non-graded pieces now.
    Exactly, you judge by the pics not what AFA grades!! Just because AFA grades something a 90 does not mean you could not find one in better loose condition. Most collectors cannot afford the ultra high end AFA items either. A loose flagg complete is waaaaaaay better than one in a box, IMHO.

    I am glad to hear that AFA items 80 or lower sell for what they do loose or ungraded. That is the way it should be. You should be able to pull an 80 quality figure right off a peg, if you collect the new stuff. And an older ARAH, AFA 80 quality should be a normal low mileage specimen found from most dealers and high quality lots. So this should prevent everyone from sending in every gi joe related item to be graded in hopes of flipping and making a profit. Including underwear!! Would AFA grade used underwear? What grade would they get? That would be money well spent. At least I would have the only "1 of 1" AFA grade 20 gi joe underwear in existence!!

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  6. #14
    I think one reason why AFA grading is hated on is because many of us here are experts (or we think we are) and take it personally when AFA does something incorrectly. The second reason is the rampant dealer abuse (like adding an extra zero to graded aftermarket prices) which has nothing to do with AFA's service.
    Personally, I think you should only AFA grade if you're selling a rare piece. This ensures the buyer with no/limited knowledge that they're not getting a fake or something of lesser quality/condition. They can even look up AFA's database for further levels of assurance. Again, this service does not seem necessary to seasoned collectors who are keeping their stuff forever.

  7. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Da_Last_2_Walk
    Seriously!

    Linky?
    YES it is very crazy the things that get AFAed.

    http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-jo...oth-brush.html

    this was a link i started a long time ago. not sure if the links still are active

    read all post its very funny read my post #14 lol

  8. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by formbx257
    Personally, I think you should only AFA grade if you're selling a rare piece. This ensures the buyer with no/limited knowledge that they're not getting a fake or something of lesser quality/condition. They can even look up AFA's database for further levels of assurance. Again, this service does not seem necessary to seasoned collectors who are keeping their stuff forever.
    Even then though, it's a large assumption that AFA knows what the heck they are doing. They've been known many times to grade "rare" items that are actually touch ups, knock offs, and/or forgeries.
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  9. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattooedcrimsonsoldier420
    I don't do AFA but I thought this was a good topic close to my heart. The simple answer IMO is haters are going to hate no matter who you are, where you are, or what you collect. You just gotta be above them and not worry to much about what other people think. I have tattoos all over my body some people love them, some people HATE them and, they are not afraid to voice it. Some people ask if I have been to prison. Others just gawk disgusted. I have had them long enough to let that slip right by me though. They get so mad when I just laugh and keep walking. I DO make it a point to embrace it tightly when someone does like them. It's like my dad always says, among other funny things: Opinions are like a-holes everybody's got one...
    I feel you. No matter how annoying the haters are, I must stay above their level of collecting acceptance. I almost feel pity for them for being so petty. Hopefully one day they will accept AFA Joe collectors as they do other Joe collectors. In the mean time I'll just brush the haters off my shoulders and embrace those who support AFA collectors.

  10. #18
    Now I just want to clarify, that I am not an AFA hater. I do have a strong opinion on the matter, but am not in that camp. I do feel the AFA part of joe collecting is another animal altogether just like MISB collecting. That also gets real expensive, and fast. I think the AFA phenomenon just takes some of the fun out of collecting...even if you don't feel that it really effects the loose market, I think it does and will so to a greater degree in the future.

  11. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Da_Last_2_Walk
    I feel you. No matter how annoying the haters are, I must stay above their level of collecting acceptance. I almost feel pity for them for being so petty. Hopefully one day they will accept AFA Joe collectors as they do other Joe collectors. In the mean time I'll just brush the haters off my shoulders and embrace those who support AFA collectors.
    Such people come from a place of jealousy, pettiness and greed. Mixed throughly with a large degree of self-entitlement. From my personal experience I don't see such negative sentiment directly solely at AFA collectors.

  12. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Da_Last_2_Walk
    I feel you. No matter how annoying the haters are, I must stay above their level of collecting acceptance. I almost feel pity for them for being so petty. Hopefully one day they will accept AFA Joe collectors as they do other Joe collectors. In the mean time I'll just brush the haters off my shoulders and embrace those who support AFA collectors.
    Exactly. People also think that opening anything sealed is sach religious too. I personally think toys should be open but I am not gonna sit here and tell you guys who collect AFA that it's not cool to lock up good toys in those shiny cases either. Whatever YOU think is right for YOUR collection is unequivocally the RIGHT answer no matter what anyone else says is "right" or "wrong". Even though I think toys are meant to be open I admire MOC AFA they look spiffy...Just like people who won't EVER get a tattoo but love to look at mine. Those graded underoos though...come on. I support you guys do whatever feels right for you in your own skin. But you better have a faster sniper than me hahahaha.

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